Non-Believer Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 We're looking in the wrong reference books. We need to be looking at "Crayonista Regulations for Carriageway and Footpath Signage". Copies not publicly available at the Sea Terminal. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellanvannin2010 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Happier diner said: It's not a zebra crossing though. When the prom is finished😂 and they have put the belisha beacons up , like they have on Loch Promenade, will it be a zebra crossing then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Happier diner said: Can crossings actually be illegal? . just because something isn't legal doesn't make it illegal. Edited September 24, 2021 by WTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanShimmin Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 5 hours ago, Ramseyboi said: Like who? Let's fine out if any of the class of '21 have the cahunas. It will need to be a coordinated approach with cross-Tynwald support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 11 minutes ago, AlanShimmin said: Let's fine out if any of the class of '21 have the cahunas. It will need to be a coordinated approach with cross-Tynwald support. Totally , you dont take on the CS on a whim and on your own. Hence the need for the CM to be totally on board and any ministers have to sign on to the process too . I really hope it happens . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 35 minutes ago, AlanShimmin said: Let's fine out if any of the class of '21 have the cahunas. It will need to be a coordinated approach with cross-Tynwald support. Not just Cahunas though is it? They also need knowledge of streamlining significant sized businesses and implement wide sweeping new cultures, policies etc. Unless you just mean they just need to sack the top layer then bring in a support someone ruthless from off island? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanShimmin Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 41 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said: Not just Cahunas though is it? They also need knowledge of streamlining significant sized businesses and implement wide sweeping new cultures, policies etc. Unless you just mean they just need to sack the top layer then bring in a support someone ruthless from off island? It is to a degree. It's having the tenacity and vision to put an end to the current regime at DOI. It can't be streamlined or have a change of culture - that's already been tried and they always manage to swerve it... remember Gawne and Reynolds promising to save +£2m a year at the airport? New structures are needed, but only in return for the current ones being thrown on the bonfire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanShimmin Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 4 hours ago, Happier diner said: Can crossings actually be illegal? They can be inherently unsafe by design and not meet minimum safety standards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanShimmin Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 6 hours ago, Numbnuts said: I was driving so not that easy to view but its either breaking up already or laid very badly. And I mean VERY badly. The join between the concrete and the tarmac has left lots of space for water ingress and freeze/thaw action will have that potholed in 18 months... But then maybe they didn't bother too much as they know all the concrete has to come up anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanShimmin Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 5 hours ago, ellanvannin2010 said: A friend complained about it to myprom earlier in the week as there are no crossings open North of there on the promenade and no signs as to where nearest open crossing is. Were told it was to do with replacing blockwork but they had no idea how long it was shut for. Blockwork is an interesting excuse. This one has been relaid twice already before it was even open to traffic... just like the one at Sam Webbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorik Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, AlanShimmin said: The join between the concrete and the tarmac has left lots of space for water ingress and freeze/thaw action will have that potholed in 18 months... But then maybe they didn't bother too much as they know all the concrete has to come up anyway! There are weeds growing between the blocks on the Admiral House stretch of Loch Prom already 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 37 minutes ago, AlanShimmin said: The join between the concrete and the tarmac has left lots of space for water ingress and freeze/thaw action will have that potholed in 18 months... But then maybe they didn't bother too much as they know all the concrete has to come up anyway! No Alan what I'm talking about is in the main body of the newly laid tarmac not on edges Yes edges are bad but the main area is terrible . I'll try and get pictures on Sunday if I dont have too much wine on Saturday night . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 3 hours ago, Non-Believer said: We're looking in the wrong reference books. We need to be looking at "Crayonista Regulations for Carriageway and Footpath Signage". Copies not publicly available at the Sea Terminal. There is actaully a DoI document. One which they completely ignored for the Kirk Michael blood clot crossing. They literally made up thier own rules and can't follow them. This is not rocket science. https://www.gov.im/media/1368674/pedestrian-crossings-guidance-document.pdf he Zebra Pedestrian Crossings Regulations 1972, and subsequent amendments in 1990 and 1996, describe how zebra crossings must be designed and used. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 3 hours ago, WTF said: . just because something isn't legal doesn't make it illegal. Erm... isn't that the very definition of illegal? I stand to be corrected with an example of something that is neither legal nor illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 1 hour ago, AlanShimmin said: Blockwork is an interesting excuse. This one has been relaid twice already before it was even open to traffic... just like the one at Sam Webbs. Particularly like the flood light pointing directly at the crossing point.. hopefully that is temporary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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