Promenade - Megathread

[CallMeCurious]

2 hours ago, kevster said:

The need to send them back was down to the railways inspector

The need was the points were defective or non-complaint in someway. Luckily someone who knew what they were doing spotted it. Shame the people paid to design, manufacture or install them didn't spot it.

Inspection or snagging should not just be at the end of the project, it should be at every stage once it gets to site. Otherwise bad workmanship goes unchallenged until the very end and then you end up with reams of defects. Half of which get fudged becasue everyone just wants the job over with by then. 

In the old days there was an experienced clerk of works who was on site frequently (or based there on large projects) for the client who had relevant experience. Their role was both supervisory and advisory while acting as a liasion between client and contractor. And being fair also keep an eye on the designers too.

Then we got planning supervisors, project managers et al and they got shunted out.

Presumably the track or points design was signed off and so there will be a trail of contractual responsibility that will cover the cost of the repair/alteration. Assuming it wasn't damaged in situ.

 

 

 

[Gladys]

3 minutes ago, CallMeCurious said:

The need was the points were defective or non-complaint in someway. Luckily someone who knew what they were doing spotted it. Shame the people paid to design, manufacture or install them didn't spot it.

Inspection or snagging should not just be at the end of the project, it should be at every stage once it gets to site. Otherwise bad workmanship goes unchallenged until the very end and then you end up with reams of defects. Half of which get fudged becasue everyone just wants the job over with by then. 

In the old days there was an experienced clerk of works who was on site frequently (or based there on large projects) for the client who had relevant experience. Their role was both supervisory and advisory while acting as a liasion between client and contractor. And being fair also keep an eye on the designers too.

Then we got planning supervisors, project managers et al and they got shunted out.

Presumably the track or points design was signed off and so there will be a trail of contractual responsibility that will cover the cost of the repair/alteration. Assuming it wasn't damaged in situ.

 

 

 

That is so depressing. 

[CallMeCurious]

On 10/18/2021 at 9:36 PM, Roger Mexico said:

As always you need to go to the original to get all the juicy details.  The actual reply (which only came today is on the FoI search with a title "Douglas Promenade Digital Counter" and was submitted on 27 September.  The actual request and  reply are as follows:

"Dear Sirs

The Department of Infrastructure installed a digital counter at the bottom of summer hill the cost at a reported cost to the tax payer of £16,000.

Please advise:

1. The actual cost including delivery set up purchase and installation for the digital counter.

2. Where is the digital counter now and does it still work.

3. What measures were taken into account before placing it beside a promenade wall and did the manufacturers warranty include damage by sea water .

4. If the digital counter is no longer working , what did the Department do with the broken digital counter .

Please supply all emails , letters ect in regards the damage caused to the digital counter."

Our response to your request is as follows:

1. The cost of the digital counter was circa £19,000 + costs of internal labour. This figure includes purchase cost, electrical supply and setup costs and software updates.

2. The Digital Display Kiosk is not working and has been disposed of accordingly.

3. Please refer to attached supporting correspondence and documents.

4. As per point 2; any salvageable components such as the LED display screens have been retained to see if they can be utilised elsewhere within our asset groups

Please see Appendix 1 for emails regarding the purchase, setup and damage to the digital counter.

Please see Appendix 2 containing documents relating to the purchase, setup and damage to the digital counter.

For all the real info you need to go to those appendices , especially the emails in A (as usual the servlet problem means I can't link directly).  But this para from page 37/38 sums it up:

I just wanted to let you know that the digital display kiosk which had the pedestrian and cyclist counter inside I originally procured for the Prom is essentially ‘knackered’, despite my specification that it must be constructed to withstand a high salt air/marine environment and showed the supplier where it would be going on the walkway in proximity to the sea it has corroded very badly on the outside of the casing and has so much water ingress that internal components have corroded and are not functioning, this is due mostly because of the vents for the air flow which allowed waves crashing over to enter the unit.

Naturally because of this disaster they've decided they now need three of them.

The technology exists to use CCTV images to do the exact same thing from a weatherproof housing using software to frame moving objects and categorise them by speed and shape as pedestrain or cyclist or wave.

https://www.retailsensing.com/people-counting-outdoors.html

Not all stainless steel is marine grade and often its the details like the fixings and simple things like a small electric heater inside to prevent condensation forming on the internal components. 

 

[CallMeCurious]

4 minutes ago, Gladys said:

That is so depressing. 

Not as depressing as an 8 month project still not finished after 40 months and rising.

[Non-Believer]

Is it worth opening a book on how many visits to Tynwald for supplementary funding will be required; and to the tune of how much?

[Peter Layman]

4 hours ago, Roxanne said:

That is hugely insulting to the Minister in charge. TC is nothing like his predecessor. He’s a realist who is determined to shake things up at the DOI and get it working properly again. He’s up against a huge task for sure but if anyone can turn things around then I believe he has the skills to do it. 

I'm all for giving them a chance but FFS he's hardly left us with any kind of anticipation has he?

[WTF]

1 hour ago, Gladys said:

That is so depressing. 

but hardly surprising , this place really is fuck up central.

[Ramseyboi]

WTAF is this and how much did it cost!!!!

[Ramseyboi]

2 minutes ago, Roxanne said:

Ah yes, that's the birthing pool I ordered.  Was the heating unit there too? 

Love granite seats.  They are freezing cold and stay too wet to sit on for hours after it stops raining.

Ideal for locations where it never rains and is always warm.

[Happier diner]

5 hours ago, Roxanne said:

That is hugely insulting to the Minister in charge. TC is nothing like his predecessor. He’s a realist who is determined to shake things up at the DOI and get it working properly again. He’s up against a huge task for sure but if anyone can turn things around then I believe he has the skills to do it. 

I appreciate you are a fan of his. Having no end though...its  pretty inauspicious start you have to admit. 

[Peter Layman]

22 minutes ago, Roxanne said:

Sort out your pluralisation and your tenses and post that again.  I'd like to reply but I'm not sure what to reply to.

It's quite clear enough - go on, have a go at replying

 

[CallMeCurious]

24 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

WTAF is this and how much did it cost!!!!

public urinal and litter bin?

[CallMeCurious]

26 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said:

WTAF is this and how much did it cost!!!!

Imagine it'll get flower bed.... or it'll be granny trap

 

[Peter Layman]

13 minutes ago, Roxanne said:

Did you think he'd turn it around in two weeks?

I'm a fan of anyone who takes on a job like that.

Nobody is going to turn that clusterfuck around in two weeks, he could have at least said he is going to do his level best to do so. His reply filled everybody with hope (the no kind)

[slinkydevil]

I'd like to think one day every person on the Isle of Man gets to work on the Great Promenade. 

No other jobs, we just all head to Douglas and do our bit. We all get paid the same, wear the same overalls and eat the same lunch together with hearty smiles, and no inequality.

Watching our children, and our children's children head off for rail laying, lamp repositioning and coloured concrete correction on the Great Promenade would fill me with pride and bring this Island's community together for generations to come. Put the pride back into the people with a bit of hard graft.