Declan Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 (edited) That could be good if it came with a genuine change of heart from motorists and they began being considerate towards pedestrians. But... On one of the side streets next to the Prom Church they've coloured the floor to look like pavement and kerbs but it's the same level. So cars park on the "Pavement" forcing pedestrians to walk round them into the "Road". Is that what's intended? Edited November 10, 2021 by Declan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Blonde Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 27 minutes ago, Declan said: On one of the side streets next to the Prom Church they've coloured the floor to look like pavement and kerbs but it's the same level. So cars park on the "Pavement" forcing pedestrians to walk round them into the "Road". Is that what's intended? Shared space? Pedestrians share their pavement with cars. Cars share their road with pedestrians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 57 minutes ago, James Blonde said: Shared space? Pedestrians share their pavement with cars. Cars share their road with pedestrians. Well so long as the Other cars are happy to share the road with pedestrians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevster Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Coloured crossings seem to be the in thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Blonde Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, Declan said: Well so long as the Other cars are happy to share the road with pedestrians. I mean, I don't think any street users are particularly happy with the clusterfuck that is Douglas Promenade. The only people who are happy with it are the crayonistas in Sea Terminal Towers. 8 minutes ago, kevster said: Coloured crossings seem to be the in thing Crossings and safety critical infrastructure isn't something to be messed around with. They should be universally recognisable with no ambiguity. If they want to do colourful designs they should find a wall to paint on. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hedgehog Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 I would put good money on them eventually using that kind of coloured surface to literally paint over the cracks in the pink concrete. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 21 hours ago, offshoremanxman said: How dare you criticize the look. The DOIs design team of Rod, Jane and Freddy are very accomplished infrastructure designers who always leave a quality finish. Was Tony Brown DOI minister? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Blonde Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, Dave Hedgehog said: I would put good money on them eventually using that kind of coloured surface to literally paint over the cracks in the pink concrete. All of the red/pink concrete that's been used between the tram lines has to come up. There is no viable and durable fix for the problem. They know this and MHKs are aware, but they have largely kept quiet for fear of causing further public anger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 7 hours ago, James Blonde said: The really funny thing here is that what they have created in the real world bears no resemblance to what planning permission was granted for. There's no parking shown here by the tram crossing... there's also only a single tram line crossing the traffic flow - but in the real world it's double track. I'm not sure planning would let a private individual get away with such large deviations. It was clear some time ago that what they were constructing did not resemble the plan. There were even some references to it in the Strategic Board Minutes. I think that residents of the Esplanade objected to the loss of parking spaces, so the DoI got out their crayons and created more parking. As far as I can see, the revised design has never been put through the planning process. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Blonde Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, Nellie said: It was clear some time ago that what they were constructing did not resemble the plan. There were even some references to it in the Strategic Board Minutes. I think that residents of the Esplanade objected to the loss of parking spaces, so the DoI got out their crayons and created more parking. As far as I can see, the revised design has never been put through the planning process. I think you're right. The crazy thing is if they had reduced down to one track there would have been plenty of room for parking their too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, James Blonde said: I think you're right. The crazy thing is if they had reduced down to one track there would have been plenty of room for parking their too. Mr Longworth is leaving quite a legacy on this island that Isambard Kingdom Brunel would be proud of. Quite a legacy for a plant/ vehicle manager of no particularly unique skills of any note. I don't think he will be hailed as a great in the wider world but on this island,he is considered a visionary. (In CS circles, mostly due to his personality :-)) More likely as normal, in the wider world, specialised press etc. We will be scoffed at. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beelzebub3 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 27 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said: Mr Longworth is leaving quite a legacy on this island that Isambard Kingdom Brunel would be proud of. Quite a legacy for a plant/ vehicle manager of no particularly unique skills of any note. I don't think he will be hailed as a great in the wider world but on this island,he is considered a visionary. (In CS circles, mostly due to his personality :-)) More likely as normal, in the wider world, specialised press etc. We will be scoffed at. Mr IL the Viv Nicholson of the Isle of Man transport world "spend spend spend" the gift that keeps on giving is his only skill of note, apart from being an "obnoxious twat" that is. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 7 hours ago, James Blonde said: I think you're right. The crazy thing is if they had reduced down to one track there would have been plenty of room for parking their too. Drove the full length southwrds today and is it me or are the two tram tracks now further apart? Just sems the lanes are a lot narrower. And as for the tramlines crossing the road, why the hell didn't thety just start like that back at Strathallan and stay there? That way they'd cross the road at right and both tram drivers and vehicles can see each other easily. Don't know how the signals are meant to work, presumably stop traffic to let trams cross? Can't wait to grab an ice cream next June and watch from the collonade balcony when the roads are closed for practices or races. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 5 hours ago, CallMeCurious said: Drove the full length southwrds today and is it me or are the two tram tracks now further apart? Apparently designed like that so they could run the wider electric trans along the prom if they wanted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 42 minutes ago, The Old Git said: Apparently designed like that so they could run the wider electric trans along the prom if they wanted. (Wow LGBTQ+69S are getting into the whole active travel thing then. 🙃) Presumably not the electric trams that require overhead lines, or are we going to see poles and wires springing up in the next 'phase' of the completed project? Or are they going to convert to battery power? FFS they can't keep a tram on the tracks on a straight peice of track devoid of all Suspect we'll see an announcement soon on purchase of refurbished Swedish trams at twice the price of new trams by the time they sit in a shed for years while they sort out all of the defects. Speaking of which where is the green cabbage nowadays? I am curious how shared space will work with pedestrians vying for right of way with any tram on the multiple varieties of crossing/not crossings. Cars and even trucks don't come of too well with encounters at level crossings with trams, so what chance does any pedestrain have. I'm sure it will have been risk assessed up the whazoo. Much like the crayonsita red crossing at Kirk michael et el. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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