Numbnuts Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 17 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: What's really astonishing is that no one now even seems to know just how far out they are. It's not just financial control that seems to have disappeared, even financial monitoring seems to have become a lost skill. Crookall just stands there shrugging his shoulders. And the same applies to the flumes, Liverpool, the Airport, so much more. I can't remember it being this bad before. It's not just that they don't know what they are doing, they don't even seem to know what they have done. Cannan and Randall may be selling themselves as the new brooms, but this lack of control and information happened when they were at the Treasury and should have known what was going on. Ohhh , I'm sure they know but the shit is hitting the fan , especially as times are hard, when they have to come clean. My worry is that initially Harmer said any overspend would have to come out of DOI budget so we might never find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Dave, I don't think many had any idea of the plans at the beginning, they were just saying 'Get on with it'! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emesde Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Kopek said: Dave, I don't think many had any idea of the plans at the beginning, they were just saying 'Get on with it'! In 2015 an announcement was made about the prom. *21 million not to be exceeded. *Changes include relocating horse trams to a widened walkway. * new traffic calming measures *pedestrian crossings for vunerable people The public had been to displays and presentations and had liked many of the changes. So is it any wonder that they are cynical now about changes and costs that they had little to no say in. By 2018 of course they said " get on with it. ' Edited June 10, 2022 by emesde Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, emesde said: In 2015 an announcement was made about the prom. *21 million not to be exceeded. *Changes include relocating horse trams to a widened walkway. * new traffic calming measures *pedestrian crossings for vunerable people The public had been to displays and presentations and had liked many of the changes. So is it any wonder that they are cynical now about changes and costs that they had little to no say in. By 2018 of course they said " get on with it. ' That was before Murray Lambden and others objected and with loads of support had plans changed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 6 hours ago, emesde said: In 2015 an announcement was made about the prom. *21 million not to be exceeded. *Changes include relocating horse trams to a widened walkway. * new traffic calming measures *pedestrian crossings for vunerable people The public had been to displays and presentations and had liked many of the changes. So is it any wonder that they are cynical now about changes and costs that they had little to no say in. By 2018 of course they said " get on with it. ' Was Ian Longworth involved at that stage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 7 hours ago, Numbnuts said: That was before Murray Lambden and others objected and with loads of support had plans changed Harmer was in charge when this was forced through before a proper plan was in place. He/CoMin set the unrealistic deadline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Non-Believer said: Was Ian Longworth involved at that stage? No he only totally fucked it up later trying to implement a 150 year old plan to make the trams as unusable as possible at maximum cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 7 hours ago, Bandits said: No he only totally fucked it up later trying to implement a 150 year old plan to make the trams as unusable as possible at maximum cost. Think he was involved as theres correspondence around with Rail inspectors re the horse trams back in 2012. Will try and find it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 21 hours ago, Kopek said: Dave, I don't think many had any idea of the plans at the beginning, they were just saying 'Get on with it'! A bit like Brexit then. And that's gone really well too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 On 6/10/2022 at 2:39 PM, quilp said: All of that but what is there to do about it? This is what happens when monkeys run the zoo. That's an extremely unfair comparison. Many apes and monkeys display extreme intelligence and problem-solving abilities. Without any salary or pension requirements. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 WOW. Where next. Even the regulation crossings are noticeable by drivers https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/risk-of-accident-if-no-further-action-taken-551349 Surely a police car and some bans for dangerous driving is the answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, Happier diner said: WOW. Where next. Even the regulation crossings are noticeable by drivers https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/risk-of-accident-if-no-further-action-taken-551349 Surely a police car and some bans for dangerous driving is the answer Why not , for a start ,dont they make it a traditional crossing, ie black and white across the width. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercenary Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: Why not , for a start ,dont they make it a traditional crossing, ie black and white across the width. It is a traditional crossing? Just one with a button rather than a zebra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Mercenary said: It is a traditional crossing? Just one with a button rather than a zebra. Yes I get what your saying just the black and white stands out more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 14 hours ago, Numbnuts said: Yes I get what your saying just the black and white stands out more. Surely you can't beat a red light. Anyone who can't see a red traffic light should be banned from driving. Shirley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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