Roger Mexico Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 38 minutes ago, The Phantom said: Unless of course the Auldyn owners have been planning exit/retirement for a longtime - but I would have thought they'd at least try and sell it first. They did. Auldyn Construction is part of the Colas group and is one of the Isle of Man's leading commercial contractors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: They did. Auldyn Construction is part of the Colas group and is one of the Isle of Man's leading commercial contractors. Aha, slightly less suspicious then. I'm assuming they probably sold out a while ago in that case. However winding it up as soon as sign off is done is certainly a little fishy at least... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 1 hour ago, The Phantom said: Yeah that's definitely suspicious if they were the main contractor and a shutting down as soon sign off is received, making any recourse against them not exactly straight forward. Unless of course the Auldyn owners have been planning exit/retirement for a longtime - but I would have thought they'd at least try and sell it first. auldyn 2023 anybody ?? might get them out of prom snagging for the next 30 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Turtleish said: That's what I'm hearing. 2 guys from auldyn are now working for my company... you've seen the job they did on the prom right ???? good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 34 minutes ago, The Phantom said: Aha, slightly less suspicious then. I'm assuming they probably sold out a while ago in that case. However winding it up as soon as sign off is done is certainly a little fishy at least... They came part of colas years ago didn't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 the much respected engineroom of Auldyn on Island sadly passed last year. after that it was only a matter of time and in any case, they had sold out to Colas - who's only work was Snaefell railway, Principal Contractor on the prom (and on-island presence) is required to win govt jobs and perhaps elements of the airport runway. in later times they also got some highways patching. i suspect it is Colas which is retreating and dragging down the last vestige of Auldyn with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, Happier diner said: They came part of colas years ago didn't they? No idea. I'd have to dig around and can't really be bothered to be honest. It makes sense however regarding the sale as I can see that there have been a couple of Auldyn Cos around since the late 70s. But winding up shortly after the proposed sign-off does smack a bit of 'quick let's run and hide'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtleish Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 21 minutes ago, WTF said: you've seen the job they did on the prom right ???? good luck. Tbf, there wasn't many of auldyns men on it! Mostly subbies. The main problems were with the lack of plans ect...than the work force. Tis those wearing suits, not hi-vis that fucked the job up. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 Didn't Auldyn arise out of the ashes of a previous construction company? Same corp colours, different name, Ramsey based??? Could that happen again? Who was based by the College? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, Turtleish said: Tbf, there wasn't many of auldyns men on it! Mostly subbies. The main problems were with the lack of plans ect...than the work force. Tis those wearing suits, not hi-vis that fucked the job up. If you read back through this thread, there was never much blame thrown at Auldyn, who were clearly working to late or no or highly inadequate specs. True the finish is pretty awful, but how much of that is down to materials spec'd and the need to keep re-doing things? Auldyn's real crime may have been to fight back when the DoI tried to pin the blame for the tram track concrete mess on them. With FoI this provided the proof that the DoI genuinely had no idea what they were doing, not that anyone there has suffered for it or even learnt any better. If they had accepted the blame and just put the cost on the next contract, maybe they would have continued to get the work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 Just now, Roger Mexico said: If you read back through this thread, there was never much blame thrown at Auldyn, who were clearly working to late or no or highly inadequate specs. True the finish is pretty awful, but how much of that is down to materials spec'd and the need to keep re-doing things? Auldyn's real crime may have been to fight back when the DoI tried to pin the blame for the tram track concrete mess on them. With FoI this provided the proof that the DoI genuinely had no idea what they were doing, not that anyone there has suffered for it or even learnt any better. If they had accepted the blame and just put the cost on the next contract, maybe they would have continued to get the work. Not clearly,but possibly. If the spec was crap why did they take the job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Not clearly,but possibly. If the spec was crap why did they take the job? They would have already been committed when they saw the detailed specs. Or didn't. But there's enough anecdotal evidence from people chatting to workmen etc, as well as the FoI stuff and the evidence of our own eyes, to know that the DoI was sorting out the details at last minute and nothing much had been thought through. Edited September 8, 2022 by Roger Mexico Misspell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 The DOI were winging the job from the start, from both the minutes from meetings and the actions of the contractors who had no Scheme of Works to adhere to. That is both documented and anecdotal public knowledge. I am acquainted with some retired "ex-Sea Terminal" who openly commented that they'd never seen so much bullshit being generated to try and cover what was going on. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 5 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: They would have already been committed when they saw the detailed specs. Or didn't. But there's enough anecdotal evidence from people chatting to workmen etc, as well as the FoI stuff and the evidence of our own eyes, to know that the DoI was sorting out the details at last minute and nothing much had been thought through. I'm afraid @Roger Mexico that that's not the way it works. Not at all. There are no specs, but understanding that you mean design I won't be pedantic. Burroughs Stewart were the designer and they prepared a detailed design. Auldyn would have been issued with that design and they would have used that to price the job. Like all contractors they go on cheap. Cheaper than they could ever hope to make a profit. However they then play the game of finding variations and extras. That's when the soft underbelly of the client becomes revealed. So if the concept or the design is wrong then they exploit that. It's the way it always works. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 24 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Burroughs Stewart were the designer and they prepared a detailed design. Auldyn would have been issued with that design and they would have used that to price the job. It’s more likely that the job they saw plans for and they pitched for and the job they ended up with were two entirely different things due to the complete lack of planning involved by the DOI. It’s clear to see how much of it was done on the hoof as time elapsed. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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