Kopek Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 Things evolve though, don't they. Makes you wonder if McAlpine could not have done it quicker and within budget??? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 14 minutes ago, Kopek said: Things evolve though, don't they. Yes I’m sure when the built the 4th Bridge or the Euro Tunnel they just made it up as they went along. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 (edited) My understanding was , from people on key parts of the contract , basically they had a concept plan but no detailed plans for arriving at the end result. Hence the jumping from areas to others. Buying time till they could come up with valid plans. It basically was a cluster fuck which I dont hold Auldyn totally responsible for. Edited September 9, 2022 by Numbnuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 16 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: My understanding was , from people on key parts of the contract , basically they had a concept plan but no detailed plans for arriving at the end result. Hence the jumping from areas to others. Buying time till they could come up with valid plans. It basically was a cluster fuck which I dont hold Auldyn totally responsible for. Regardless no heads How would a contractor bid for a project that had no plans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 19 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: My understanding was , from people on key parts of the contract , basically they had a concept plan but no detailed plans for arriving at the end result. Hence the jumping from areas to others. Buying time till they could come up with valid plans. It basically was a cluster fuck which I dont hold Auldyn totally responsible for. Regardless no heads Your understanding was wrong. Contracts don't work like that. I blame all the parties equally 1. Government had no idea what they wanted so the concept was confused. 2. BSA as the detailed designer 3. Auldyn for delivering it poorly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 22 minutes ago, Happier diner said: How would a contractor bid for a project that had no plans? Have you ever bid for a government contract/tender? That's how it works. They have no clue so the successful contractor pulls their trousers down, fucks them sideways and at the end of it Government don't know which way is up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 Didn't BSA design the Peel Marina works , and parts of Iris ,it will be interesting to see if their fingers are also on the design for the modernisation of the East Quay in Peel thats just started this week , on present performance they should never work for government ever again , Come on Jason ask some meaningful questions , for a change lets flush everyone involved out , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 56 minutes ago, Happier diner said: How would a contractor bid for a project that had no plans? ...because it was a Govt contract and they thought it would work out OK??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 ............ and because they didn't get a previous contract, they were on a promise for this one ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 The Government are ultimately responsible for it. They decided the job needed doing and represented the taxpayer who was stumping up. BSA, Auldyn and whoever else were just contractors to whatever respective aspects of it. If Government weren't then managing those contractors and their output to an acceptable or required standard then it is the Government's failing. Although to be fair when the Government's side consisted of a collection of unqualified half-wits like a sequence of Ministers and Black, Robinson and Longworth it was never going to be a success. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 11 minutes ago, Kopek said: ............ and because they didn't get a previous contract, they were on a promise for this one ??? .........and it could have been compensation for Richmond |Hill?????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 5 hours ago, Happier diner said: How would a contractor bid for a project that had no plans? They had concept plans only. Hence the big delays to start with and the jumping around and starting small areas etc. Keeping the workforce seemingly working but with no end result. Think back and how the job progressed initially anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Numbnuts said: They had concept plans only. Hence the big delays to start with and the jumping around and starting small areas etc. Keeping the workforce seemingly working but with no end result. Think back and how the job progressed initially anyway. How could a contractor bid for a project by tender based upon a 'concept'? I'm not saying the plans were good. I'm not defending the project, it failed for all sorts of reasons. My view if how it failed is a bit different to everyone else's that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxfisherman Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, Happier diner said: How could a contractor bid for a project by tender based upon a 'concept'? I'm not saying the plans were good. I'm not defending the project, it failed for all sorts of reasons. My view if how it failed is a bit different to everyone else's that's all. Got any views on using tram rails as concrete shutters? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 10 minutes ago, manxfisherman said: Got any views on using tram rails as concrete shutters? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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