Two-lane Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 3 hours ago, Numbnuts said: Cannan was the Treasury minister. Surprisingly quiet on the subject now So ultimately it is politicians who are responsible. In England there has been a significant change in Westminster - and one of the first actions has been to sack a couple of Civil Servants (the whys and wherefores are not relevant). That isn't going to happen here. The politicians here are more interested in protecting gov. employees than looking after the interests of the electorate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Two-lane said: So ultimately it is politicians who are responsible. In England there has been a significant change in Westminster - and one of the first actions has been to sack a couple of Civil Servants (the whys and wherefores are not relevant). That isn't going to happen here. The politicians here are more interested in protecting gov. employees than looking after the interests of the electorate. Isn't that part of the problem? Government employs a huge amount people and so they make up a big chunk of the electorate. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Two-lane said: So ultimately it is politicians who are responsible. In England there has been a significant change in Westminster - and one of the first actions has been to sack a couple of Civil Servants (the whys and wherefores are not relevant). That isn't going to happen here. The politicians here are more interested in protecting gov. employees than looking after the interests of the electorate. Thats how it should be or at least oversee and ask more questions from their departments. Sadly apart from the quality of most MHK's most wouldnt have a idea into most of the departments there involved in. The CS have them over a barrel and if they ask to many questions their source of info will just dry up. The CEO's in most departments also aren't capable to monitor or influence the staff under them. They get away with murder and clearly have too easier a life for too much salary . Good gig if you can blag it and its clear they do. Edited September 11, 2022 by Numbnuts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Numbnuts said: Thats how it should be or at least oversee and ask more questions from their departments. Sadly apart from the quality of most MHK's most wouldnt have a idea into most of the departments there involved in. The CS have them over a barrel and if they ask to many questions their source of info will just dry up. The CEO's in most departments also aren't capable to monitor or influence the staff under them. They get away with murder and clearly have too easier a life for too much salary . Good gig if you can blag it and its clear they do. I seem to remember the MHKs buggered about with what to do with the prom for about 4 years before it even started. The DOI must have wasted hundreds of thousands on architect's fees, coming up with options then ruling them out. Edited September 11, 2022 by Happier diner Freudian slip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Happier diner said: I seem to remember the MHKs buggered about with what to do with the prom for about 4 years before it even started. The DOI must have wasted hundreds of thousands on architect's fees, coming up with options then ruling them out. Not sure it was as long as 4 years but they certainly messed around. Some of which was their fault by wanting to site the Trams on the walkway. When it did eventually start there was a statement that the walkway wouldn't be touched. That didn't end well either because of the lack of detailed plans and ad hoc work practices. Edited September 11, 2022 by Numbnuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: Not sure it was as long as 4 years but they certainly messed around. Some of which was their fault by wanting to site the Trams on the walkway. When it did eventually start there was a statement that the walkway wouldn't be touched. That didn't end well either because of the lack of detailed plans and ad hoc work practices. I reckon it was at least 4 years. Maybe less post approval. Maybe 2 years once approved. Time flies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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offshoremanxman Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 17 minutes ago, quilp said: This may've already been posted... Yes saw that earlier it’s depressing. It’s like the Emperors New Clothes isn’t it the prom project? By any conventional yardstick it’s shit. I use it most days and it still makes me angry how functionally shit it is after £25M of our taxes have been thrown at it. But the silence from the politicians is deafening across the board. The prom looks worse, functions worse, has worse parking, worse traffic flow, and a worse aesthetic appeal than what was there previously which just could have been tarmaced. The horse tram layout is terrible. The traffic lights on the cut across before the Empress, as Moulton points out in that clip, don’t even work properly half the time. The bus shelters are either rusty or missing. The signage is all over the place. The ridiculous tombstones on the crossings are dangerous. The temporary crossings are dangerous and shit. The crossings and lights off the roundels are dangerous and shit. The purple painted pavements are hideous and shit. Just about every aspect of it is 100% substandard shit. The opening ceremony should literally have been Jeff Robinson stood in the middle of a roundel dropping his keks and just pushing a massive big shit out in the middle of the road to cap it all off. It’s a total affront to the taxpayers of the IOM for him, Longworth, and the DOI to have delivered such absolutely terrible and functionally inferior shit for so much money. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 1 hour ago, offshoremanxman said: Yes saw that earlier it’s depressing. It’s like the Emperors New Clothes isn’t it the prom project? By any conventional yardstick it’s shit. I use it most days and it still makes me angry how functionally shit it is after £25M of our taxes have been thrown at it. But the silence from the politicians is deafening across the board. The prom looks worse, functions worse, has worse parking, worse traffic flow, and a worse aesthetic appeal than what was there previously which just could have been tarmaced. The horse tram layout is terrible. The traffic lights on the cut across before the Empress, as Moulton points out in that clip, don’t even work properly half the time. The bus shelters are either rusty or missing. The signage is all over the place. The ridiculous tombstones on the crossings are dangerous. The temporary crossings are dangerous and shit. The crossings and lights off the roundels are dangerous and shit. The purple painted pavements are hideous and shit. Just about every aspect of it is 100% substandard shit. The opening ceremony should literally have been Jeff Robinson stood in the middle of a roundel dropping his keks and just pushing a massive big shit out in the middle of the road to cap it all off. It’s a total affront to the taxpayers of the IOM for him, Longworth, and the DOI to have delivered such absolutely terrible and functionally inferior shit for so much money. It's all fine really, Chris Thomas MHK says it's mainly down to communications? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: It's all fine really, Chris Thomas MHK says it's mainly down to communications? He's probably right. The people who knew what they were doing not been listened to by the CS and other 'experts' . And along the way the MHK's in charge just muddied the waters as they had zero idea. And that long gone muppet Quayle could only laugh when asked about the prom on day of Princess Anne's visit . Sums up the whole debacle really. Never mind its only tax payers hard earned money. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 33 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: It's all fine really, Chris Thomas MHK says it's mainly down to communications? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 40 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: It's all fine really, Chris Thomas MHK says it's mainly down to communications? They just delete any emails that complain about it? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, 0bserver said: They just delete any emails that complain about it? Including the now disbanded “my prom” social media team that literally gave up trying to polish the turd they were paid to polish. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 16 minutes ago, 0bserver said: They just delete any emails that complain about it? I have an even more cynical view of it. That it needed to be better communicated to the GMP that it was actually a first class, outstanding project delivered on time and fully to spec and everything, including the finances, is absolutely above board. In fact, we've just had the last bit, only last week. 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 If 'you' were one of the people who clamoured for the Prom, the alleged 'Gateway to the Island' needed to be revamped, it had a few dips and bumps and potholes, was it unpassable? No matter that we don't know how our CS and politicians will perform this work, how the DoI, Auldyn, BS will perform the scheme, 'You' are part of the problem, you asked for it, you got it, it's 'your' fault! You should have known better, we know Govt performance of the idea into reality does not meet our original ideal? Why did you support the idea? 'You' have no right now to complain of the debacle in hindsight, to take the moral highroad!!! It is 'your' fault!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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