The Phantom Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 13 hours ago, Numbnuts said: Yes agreed , and you can have a 5 metre plus swell on easily so if onshore its just going to run onto the roadway . I mean whats to stop it ! 5 meter breaking wave, possibly. Not swell and not easily. Generally a breaking wave at the shore will be about double the swell height as it starts to break, it will effectively suck water forming a trough infront of itself. The biggest wave ever recorded in the Irish Sea proper was at the M2 meteorological buoy to the east of Dublin with a record significant wave height of 6.6m measured at 18.00 on Monday 16th October 2017 during Hurricane Ophelia, which was widely regarded as the worst storm to affect Ireland in 50 years. During the same storm other buoys also recorded at M5 - 12.9m and M3 - 13.5m. Generally the Irish Sea doesn't get swell that is massive. It's actually the swell period (the gap between waves) that makes it so treacherous. We get pretty short periods, so it's almost like a machine gun effect compared to those big slow well spaced open ocean swells you might think of that vessels can leisurely roll over. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beelzebub3 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 18 hours ago, 0bserver said: It won't raise the sea level but surely having sand/stones up to the walkway gives the waves an easier 'ramp' up? The sand/stone build up also gives protection to a very old victorian seawall behind which there are tankfuls of shite! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Hey, the Govt give sandbags to the Castle Mona shops, what more do they want!!! Was any consideration given in the design of the new prom drainage system to try to alleviate the draining of the over topping??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 57 minutes ago, Kopek said: Hey, the Govt give sandbags to the Castle Mona shops, what more do they want!!! Was any consideration given in the design of the new prom drainage system to try to alleviate the draining of the over topping??? Interesting point. Clearly when it over tops the drains are going to fill , if there not blocked , and then where does the water go to get away ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 And just like that a keep left bollard/sign thing has sprouted on the little concrete island thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, 0bserver said: And just like that a keep left bollard/sign thing has sprouted on the little concrete island thing There is probably some regulation about signs in the middle of the road being illuminated - but if the granite monoliths are not illuminated, then why should this sign be. (In the background of the photo you can see a lonely traffic cone holding up what what is probably a keep left sign) It's a pity the motorcyclist didn't hit one of those monoliths - then they would have to put keep left signs on both sides of all of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Hurrah... Common sense at last: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/charity-and-private-funding-on-the-table-for-horse-trams/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: Hurrah... Common sense at last: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/charity-and-private-funding-on-the-table-for-horse-trams/ Longworth will be marching on Tynwald with a placard.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 38 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: Hurrah... Common sense at last: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/charity-and-private-funding-on-the-table-for-horse-trams/ They tried to palm the vintage transport and Gaiety off on MNH about 10 years ago. Not interested. Then 6 years ago they sought expressions of interests for charity/private operation of the Villa Gaiety. No one interested after they see the figures. And yes, there are lots of “Friends” of the Gaiety, Horse Trams, Steam and Electric Railway, but not enough, on Island, of the right age, fitness, expertise, to actually run and staff. And that’s the difference between IoM and similar schemes in the UK. Catchment area. People will travel 100’s of miles in UK to play trains, trams, theatre. Irish Sea is a barrier. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, John Wright said: And that’s the difference between IoM and similar schemes in the UK. Catchment area. People will travel 100’s of miles in UK to play trains, trams, theatre. Irish Sea is a barrier. Indeed they do and it will depend on how it's funded. What IOM has is a ready made business that can start operating from day one. Many of the heritage rail operations have evolved from virtually nothing and have cost many millions in the process. I think you underestimate the pull that IOM Heritage transport could have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavey Davey Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Andy Onchan said: Hurrah... Common sense at last: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/charity-and-private-funding-on-the-table-for-horse-trams/ Great move by Chris Thomas. Although I wonder how long it will take a charity to get fed up of all the DOI red tape that will be associated with running the horse trams. Or a perhaps charity headed by Longtail will be making a bid for it so that he can still keep his train set? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asthehills Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 The guys at The Queens Pier are doing a great job but I can see this being the same. Lots of people up in arms about losing something but very few actually bothered enough to put their hands in their pockets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 The line from Minister Thomas needs to be that the current situation is unsustainable. Either they find their way to a charity or they close down. That would help focus the minds of a few tram anoraks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Wavey Davey said: Great move by Chris Thomas. Although I wonder how long it will take a charity to get fed up of all the DOI red tape that will be associated with running the horse trams. Or a perhaps charity headed by Longtail will be making a bid for it so that he can still keep his train set? Agreed. Of course it will require a statutory regulator even if it's one brought in from outside, so hopefully that should rule out any involvement of DOI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 It will be interesting to see what expressions of interest they receive. An attraction that was losing £250,000 a year under the auspices of DBC which quickly mounted to losses of £400,000(?) per year under the DOI, which has had millions now spent on it under the Prom redevelopment with the work remaining largely untested and a layout that no longer resembles the original either in character or length. How brave do volunteers and charities have to be...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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