0bserver Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, Ativa said: Spotted today, down by the Village. The first markings by a manhole cover to suggest the road will be dug up soon. How bad are they going to let the various bits of block work that are breaking up before they admit defeat and get the cones and workers out again? Blocks by the Sefton are fooked. The manhole in the middle of Broadway Roundel seemed to be about an inch below the road surface already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 9 minutes ago, 0bserver said: The issue with the cracked/cracking concrete is ever so simple. They pour concrete against steel rails with no allowance for thermal expansion. Was going on about that when they first did it. I couldn't believe they used the rails as their shutter. Fucking insane. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 12 hours ago, 0bserver said: The issue with the cracked/cracking concrete is ever so simple. They pour concrete against steel rails with no allowance for thermal expansion. The ground warms up, the rails expand and have nowhere to go and so the concrete cracks. There's a whole wealth of sources you can find online about building tram tracks in a road and they all talk about the need to use some kind of encasement around the rail, usually a rubber type compound, to allow for thermal expansion. I was told at the time that an order came from high up in the DOI that there was to be no such compound on cost saving grounds. Now whether it's true that somebody in the DOI thought they could outsmart the laws of physics... that would be a story. Ah the Civil Service once again delivering less for more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 12 hours ago, 0bserver said: Blocks by the Sefton are fooked. The manhole in the middle of Broadway Roundel seemed to be about an inch below the road surface already. You have to call them personholes now. Women and even those that identify as furries have holes too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 2 hours ago, CallMeCurious said: Ah the Civil Service once again delivering less for more. But the money saved was very useful for lump sums, payoffs and pensions. These things in life need to be prioritised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperHans Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Happier diner said: You have to call them personholes now. Women and even those that identify as furries have holes too. What about persons without holes? You’re being prejudiced against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Happier diner said: You have to call them personholes now. Women and even those that identify as furries have holes too. Humanholes rolls off the tongue much better though. Works unless you do not consider furries to be human. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 16 hours ago, CallMeCurious said: Considering that you'd have to protect the rails, their fixings and alignment as you break out the concrete, all manner of diversions and temporary works to keep the road open or one way (again). then you've got to protect the rails while you tarmac them and the same issues with differential expansion between steel and tarmac and trying to stop adhesion between them. Add in the noise, the dust and the length of time it would take plus a few lengths of damaged rails being replaced after encounters with a JCB pecker. Best guess would be a 12 months at £20m turning into 18 months and £40m. And who pays for it? The client who requested it, the designer who specified it, the engineer who detailed it, the concrete supplier, the main contractor and all the subcontractors who prepared the ground and laid the concrete? And if it is realted to how the rails were installed (i.e welded and not fishplates or whatever) then the pool of suspects expands again. Most in that scenario will fight it tooth and nail becsue they'll have to get their insurers involved and more than likely cut their losses and wind up the business. Classic vanity project with no thought to the long term viability or running costs. It was a clusterfuck from start to finish. And all because Longtail wanted to run a tram/light railway from Summerland to the the Sea Terminal. Why a separate stand alone tramway on the seaward side wasn't created I don't know. No need for fancy and expensive obelisks/signs. No need for fancy blocked paving (which is already lifting). No need to restrict the parking width for cars. If DOI wanted to run a dual service tramway (horse & electric) then they got it badly wrong and ignored conventional wisdom and common sense. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forestboy Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 30 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: It was a clusterfuck from start to finish. And all because Longtail wanted to run a tram/light railway from Summerland to the the Sea Terminal. Why a separate stand alone tramway on the seaward side wasn't created I don't know. No need for fancy and expensive obelisks/signs. No need for fancy blocked paving (which is already lifting). No need to restrict the parking width for cars. If DOI wanted to run a dual service tramway (horse & electric) then they got it badly wrong and ignored conventional wisdom and common sense. They don’t have and never have had common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Andy Onchan said: No need for fancy and expensive obelisks/signs. No need for fancy blocked paving (which is already lifting). No need to restrict the parking width for cars. Probably a good job they didn't get around to block paving the roundels like they originally planned to. One positive sign is that Daft Daphne was essentially told there's no money for a horse tram extension to the Sea Terminal. Chris Thomas said there's no business case being brought forward (for now). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, 0bserver said: Probably a good job they didn't get around to block paving the roundels like they originally planned to. I'd argue there shouldn't be any block paving on a busy road that often floods with seawater at all. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Andy Onchan said: It was a clusterfuck from start to finish. And all because Longtail wanted to run a tram/light railway from Summerland to the the Sea Terminal. Why a separate stand alone tramway on the seaward side wasn't created I don't know. No need for fancy and expensive obelisks/signs. No need for fancy blocked paving (which is already lifting). No need to restrict the parking width for cars. If DOI wanted to run a dual service tramway (horse & electric) then they got it badly wrong and ignored conventional wisdom and common sense. The parking width for cars is not restricted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Happier diner said: The parking width for cars is not restricted. Well anyone with limited mobility will tell you otherwise (and I'm not talking about spaces for the disabled). Let's use the word restrictive then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 hour ago, 0bserver said: One positive sign is that Daft Daphne was essentially told there's no money for a horse tram extension to the Sea Terminal. Chris Thomas said there's no business case being brought forward (for now). A shame she didn't ask for a forensic explanation of where the money has gone that was supposed to have financed the railway running the full length to the Sea Terminal in the first instance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Andy Onchan said: Well anyone with limited mobility will tell you otherwise (and I'm not talking about spaces for the disabled). Let's use the word restrictive then. I am prepared to agree on 'guide' 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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