Andy Onchan Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 hour ago, John Wright said: I see the new terminal in Liverpool is running late. Not due to complete until July 2021 now, but linkspan is "hoped" to should be ready for TT 2021. Correction (according to Hansard). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 29 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: Correction (according to Hansard). What’s the betting it’ll not be open before TT 2022? By which time we will have coped without Liverpool or Birkenhead for 3 winters and one summer, proving conclusively that we don’t need a £38m+ facility on the Mersey 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, John Wright said: What’s the betting it’ll not be open before TT 2022? By which time we will have coped without Liverpool or Birkenhead for 3 winters and one summer, proving conclusively that we don’t need a £38m+ facility on the Mersey Most probably JW. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I'm plumping for £60M for the finished Terminal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxdaleliberationfront Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 My bet is only small change from £100m for the Promenade and Terminal schemes combined Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monasqueen Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Which one of The Prom and the Liverpool Terminal will a) be finished first? b) cost least? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 30 minutes ago, monasqueen said: Which one of The Prom and the Liverpool Terminal will a) be finished first? b) cost least? Will the airport radar be signed off and fully functional before either of them? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Just now, John Wright said: Will the airport radar be signed off and fully functional before either of them? I believe that it was quietly signed off, sans fanfare, about six months ago? Somebody posted on MF. Whether it's fully functional though might be another question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 The penalty clauses for that bloody radar where massive, we have basically got it for free so I was told. if that is so .. where did the money go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Anne spent it on pringles 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, x-in-man said: The penalty clauses for that bloody radar where massive, we have basically got it for free so I was told. One "could" read a lot into that. It was new technology at the time of its inception ("new and edgy" quoth P. Gawne under Tynwald questioning over its lack of progress, even back then). The manufacturer (Selex?) may have got it working well enough to get it signed off and then washed their hands of it (hence penalty clauses/"getting it for nothing"), leaving us with an early-production or even prototype one-off. It may not auger well for either future maintenance or lifespan. Edited November 21, 2019 by Non-Believer Typo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxdaleliberationfront Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 20 minutes ago, WTF said: Anne spent it on pringles Once you pop you just can't stop (spending money) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Non-Believer said: One "could" read a lot into that. It was new technology at the time of its inception (" new and edgy" quoth P. Gawne under Tynwald questioning over its lack of progress, even back then). The manufacturer (Selex?) may have got it working well enough to get it signed off and then washed their hands of it (hence penalty clauses/"getting it for nothing"), leaving us with an early-production or even prototype one-off. It may not auger well for either future maintenance or lifespan. Agree totally. Good luck getting them back if anything goes wrong..and it will...typical going out on a limb with new untested technology . This and the cabbage train just goes to show how adapt the powers that be are at wasting money and breaking project finish times or not even finishing at all . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Never let it be forgotten that this was originally David Cretney's brain fart too. Duly passed on to Gawne and Lord alone knows how many other people in the department have had their fingers in it. All deniable/unaccountable of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxdaleliberationfront Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 47 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: Never let it be forgotten that this was originally David Cretney's brain fart too. Duly passed on to Gawne and Lord alone knows how many other people in the department have had their fingers in it. All deniable/unaccountable of course. I wouldn't lay the blame entirely at Crethey's door. If my memory serves me right (and often it does not) his original idea was moving the horse trams off the road but more importantly working on one block at a time. In fact I think the bit with the Jubilee clock was actually the start of his idea? It's just that Ministers were shifted around, Tynwald came and went.... Gawne... I'd lay most of the blame at his door - he was the one that was so adamant that the bloody horse trams must be saved. A decision that has cost the taxpayer over £10m in capital costs alone and continues to saddle us with losses exceeding £650k each year. Man of the Moment - Ray Harmer Esq. is also to blame, it was political grandstanding that resulted in the scheme being rushed through without proper prior planning being in place. He should resign. Now the scheme is underway it's in the hands of the civil servants, a political resignation would have zero impact now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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