Donald Trumps Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 What is the point of building an unprofitable hotel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxberry Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said: What is the point of building an unprofitable hotel? When you have a lot of dirty money and need to get something out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 There are already far too many hotel rooms on this island that lie empty for 50% of the year if not longer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 31 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said: What is the point of building an unprofitable hotel? Because it allows you to build a lot of very profitable apartments ! Whilst Will puts forward no doubt true and convincing arguments, none of them persuade me that the residential development is desirable given the nature of the ASSI. In respect of the apartments only the very wealthy will be able to afford one and the potential profits are huge, couple this with a failing hotel ( we need to make this apartments now its not working!), I use failing as its predicted to be so before it starts!! A sorry situation for all I reckon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Donald Trumps said: What is the point of building an unprofitable hotel? I think that a properly run decent hotel would be quite successful there. It's a really nice area with great views, we lack top level hotel rooms. Ideal for events and short breaks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, asitis said: 2 hours ago, Donald Trumps said: What is the point of building an unprofitable hotel? Because it allows you to build a lot of very profitable apartments ! Whilst Will puts forward no doubt true and convincing arguments, none of them persuade me that the residential development is desirable given the nature of the ASSI. In respect of the apartments only the very wealthy will be able to afford one and the potential profits are huge, couple this with a failing hotel ( we need to make this apartments now its not working!), I use failing as its predicted to be so before it starts!! A sorry situation for all I reckon. And of course if you build your hotel rooms as 'executive suites' then converting them into more apartments is pretty easy. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 It would be absurd to give planning permission for an hotel that wasn't/isn't in itself viable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Max Power said: I think that a properly run decent hotel would be quite successful there. It's a really nice area with great views, we lack top level hotel rooms. Ideal for events and short breaks. The specialist hotel consultants thought otherwise There are too many hotels on the island with too many bedrooms That is why you don't get investment in 'top level hotel rooms' Too much competition means that they don't pay Edited March 20, 2020 by Donald Trumps 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 51 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said: The specialist hotel consultants thought otherwise There are too many hotels on the island with too many bedrooms That is why you don't get investment in 'top level hotel rooms' Too much competition means that they don't pay But there is no competition? We have no 5 star hotels so we don't get that market, most of ours are 2 or 3 star at best. One of the problems in organising any events here is the lack of bedrooms. As for converting rooms to apartments, they should have a covenant which prevents this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Donald Trumps said: The specialist hotel consultants thought otherwise There are too many hotels on the island with too many bedrooms That is why you don't get investment in 'top level hotel rooms' Too much competition means that they don't pay I think it's not so much a lack of rooms as a changing accommodation market, with more people looking for AirBnB type stays. Boutique hotels really only work in big cities or maybe when they are destinations in their own right. And they need to be able to operate year round - and who wants to stay on the Langness Peninsula in February? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Why? because it is currently an Hotel site, albeit, a derelict site and therfore easier to get planning permis. for similar, again, albeit with some luxury flats. What is the alternative? Let it go even further into dereliction so that even Dandara or any future purchaser, say it is not viable as a pure Hotel? It is too easy to say the DRA objections are 'nimbyism', they are simply trying to protect 'their' enviroment but the alternative would be to level the site and let it revert to nature....... ......but should that apply to all such sites? What updating development would we then have? Ramsey Quay side, Castle Mona, in 10 years, half of Douglas Proms' 'Boarding Houses'? To name a few. \\\\\\i'm trying to be neutral on this///////. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Kopek said: Why? because it is currently an Hotel site, albeit, a derelict site and therfore easier to get planning permis. for similar, again, albeit with some luxury flats. What is the alternative? Let it go even further into dereliction so that even Dandara or any future purchaser, say it is not viable as a pure Hotel? It is too easy to say the DRA objections are 'nimbyism', they are simply trying to protect 'their' enviroment but the alternative would be to level the site and let it revert to nature....... ......but should that apply to all such sites? What updating development would we then have? Ramsey Quay side, Castle Mona, in 10 years, half of Douglas Proms' 'Boarding Houses'? To name a few. \\\\\\i'm trying to be neutral on this///////. I agree mostly with your observations, but I also think that the planning consent for what was considered acceptable say 50 years or more ago, should be reviewable, and it shouldn't just be a case of what was okay then, is okay now ! The blunt truth is the site was bought to be high end apartments, there was little interest in a hotel, that was just a consequence of keeping planning permission. The attitude which has developed over the years of "well anything has to be better than what is there now" is exactly the strategy the developer wants and the lever to do what they like, what I find offensive, even more so than the development, is this painting planning into a corner and ending up with conflict rather than consensus by the sheer passage of time. We have a number of ASSI on the island, perhaps the most abused is the Langness Peninsula, the eastern end of it is a dog toilet ( I am a dog owner so no bias there), the western end is blighted by the ruin of the hotel. Sadly if it weren't for the levels of abuse, the area has the potential to be a superb nature and wildlife site with an ability to attract visitors to our shores but at the moment is blighted by crass stupidity and inaction! Edited March 21, 2020 by asitis 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 8 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: - and who wants to stay on the Langness Peninsula in February? penguins ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 8 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: I think it's not so much a lack of rooms as a changing accommodation market, with more people looking for AirBnB type stays. Boutique hotels really only work in big cities or maybe when they are destinations in their own right. And they need to be able to operate year round - and who wants to stay on the Langness Peninsula in February? People who like walking? Great coastline, shame about the lack of places to eat but as a base for walking it's not at all bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Castletown Golf Links is one of the best courses in the world. This should be a high quality golf resort hotel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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