Barrie Stevens Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: And now Sir Nige is about to split the leave vote and potentially but Corbyn in power. You could not script this nonsense I just think the folk will opt for a bit of old fashioned socialism and nanny state and then in a few years time it will swing again. I don't think it's Brexit now. It is what's in it for me.....Pay the Dole and the pension hire more police and boost the NHS basic stuff which the Toffs are not going to do and so we will I think get a result akin to the 1945 election..So many now rely full or in part on Benefits and the system is in a mess thanks to Tort Toffs. Bit of a surprise on the way especially for Boris the wannabe Winston. Anyway I find it hard to tell the difference between election candidates and the contestants on the Apprentice....But those types are the ones to get the votes if they make the right sort of noise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_1945 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 2 hours ago, manxman1980 said: So if a 'remain' parliament is returned following the GE can I assume that he and others like him will shut up about a betrayal of democracy? There never was any democracy to betray just a big gamble by a Tory Toff that went badly wrong and now the system is being used to minimise the damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 13 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: I just think the folk will opt for a bit of old fashioned socialism and nanny state and then in a few years time it will swing again. I don't think it's Brexit now. It is what's in it for me.....Pay the Dole and the pension hire more police and boost the NHS basic stuff which the Toffs are not going to do and so we will I think get a result akin to the 1945 election..So many now rely full or in part on Benefits and the system is in a mess thanks to Tort Toffs. Bit of a surprise on the way especially for Boris the wannabe Winston. Anyway I find it hard to tell the difference between election candidates and the contestants on the Apprentice....But those types are the ones to get the votes if they make the right sort of noise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_1945 This poem entitled Bag Pipe music sums it up for me.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Barrie Stevens said: I think get a result akin to the 1945 election..So many now rely full or in part on Benefits and the system is in a mess thanks to Tort Toffs. Bit of a surprise on the way especially for Boris the wannabe Winston. Well, I suppose Churchill was dumped in his finest hour too, so it should be no surprise to Boris to suffer the same fate as his idol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Barrie Stevens said: Anyway I find it hard to tell the difference between election candidates and the contestants on the Apprentice.... That's because you're an old fart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 3 hours ago, manxman1980 said: You will note that I prefixed that with "hugely unlikely". it's not going to happen....jo still thinks she's standing for pm........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 2 hours ago, manxman1980 said: And now Sir Nige is about to split the leave vote and potentially but Corbyn in power. You could not script this nonsense nah....he'll take the lab, lib dum and snp leave supporters who would never vote tory...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 14 minutes ago, woody2 said: nah....he'll take the lab, lib dum and snp leave supporters who would never vote tory...... He will split the leavers who want a "clean break" brexit and those who want a deal in place. Farage could end up being the man who defeated the remain campaign and then went on to defeat the leave campaign! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 44 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: He will split the leavers who want a "clean break" brexit and those who want a deal in place. Farage could end up being the man who defeated the remain campaign and then went on to defeat the leave campaign! Indeed. But it would leave his career and raison d'être intact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 15 minutes ago, woolley said: Indeed. But it would leave his career and raison d'être intact. Exactly. What a nice coincidence it was for him to have Donald Trump on his LBC radio show criticising Johnson's withdrawal bill the day before launching the Brexit Party Ltd campaign, asking for a leave alliance with the Conservative party and for said withdrawal bill to be dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 3 hours ago, manxman1980 said: He will split the leavers who want a "clean break" brexit and those who want a deal in place. Farage could end up being the man who defeated the remain campaign and then went on to defeat the leave campaign! nah......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 4 hours ago, manxman1980 said: He will split the leavers who want a "clean break" brexit and those who want a deal in place. Farage could end up being the man who defeated the remain campaign and then went on to defeat the leave campaign! 33 minutes ago, woody2 said: nah......... I think you misjudge this one, Woody. It's happened already in the Peterborough by-election. Between them Tory and Brexit had 17,000 votes. Labour won with 10,500. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Peterborough_by-election You can say that it will be different in a General Election - but why would it be? You can say that Boris will do better than May - but people are not stupid. They can see it's still the same deal and, if they can't, Farage is telling them in no uncertain terms how bad it is. This is going to happen all over the country, letting in some Labour and definitely Lib Dems. Farage already has his excuse ready. He says that the deal is not Brexit, and if that is all that's on offer, he prefers to remain and start from scratch. This is what makes the election so difficult to call. Nightmare for the bookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Freggy'll be spread-betting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 3 hours ago, woolley said: This is what makes the election so difficult to call. Nightmare for the bookies. That's what I thought, but the bookies seem pretty clear at the mo that BoJo is going to be PM with a Tory overall majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 14 hours ago, woolley said: I think you misjudge this one, Woody. It's happened already in the Peterborough by-election. Between them Tory and Brexit had 17,000 votes. Labour won with 10,500. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Peterborough_by-election You can say that it will be different in a General Election - but why would it be? You can say that Boris will do better than May - but people are not stupid. They can see it's still the same deal and, if they can't, Farage is telling them in no uncertain terms how bad it is. This is going to happen all over the country, letting in some Labour and definitely Lib Dems. Farage already has his excuse ready. He says that the deal is not Brexit, and if that is all that's on offer, he prefers to remain and start from scratch. This is what makes the election so difficult to call. Nightmare for the bookies. who knows what will happen..... take a look at 2015...... Party% CON 36.9 LAB 30.4 UKIP 12.6 LD 7.9 SNP 4.7 GRN 3.8 and the latest poll...... CON: 40% (+4) LAB: 29% (+2) LDEM: 14% (-3) BREX: 9% (-2) GRN: 3% (-) via@Panelbase 30 - 31 Oct 2015 call me dave got a majority....... labours plan isn't welcomed by anyone..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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