P.K. Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 33 minutes ago, woolley said: Sacrificed his career? The 79 year old who is standing down in any case? Don't start effing and blinding at me. You're not having your nightly rant at Quilpy now. It's too early. You're still left scratching around for excuses and everybody knows it. Went back to the YUK today to sort out the voting cards. No idea who to vote for though or if it would make a difference. I suspect not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 19 minutes ago, P.K. said: True. But he was not alone. Let's not forget Dominic Grieve, Nicholas Soames, Oliver Letwin, Philip Hammond and others. Frankly to try and diminish what happened by pointing out "The Father Of The House" was going anyway is pretty poor really. I guess it just demonstrates just what a self-serving, untrustworthy, snake-in-the-grass Johnson really is and how the brexiteers will turn to absolutely anything to try and justify their totally stupid and unnecessary brexit.... dole queue....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 31 minutes ago, P.K. said: True. But he was not alone. Let's not forget Dominic Grieve, Nicholas Soames, Oliver Letwin, Philip Hammond and others. Frankly to try and diminish what happened by pointing out "The Father Of The House" was going anyway is pretty poor really. I guess it just demonstrates just what a self-serving, untrustworthy, snake-in-the-grass Johnson really is and how the brexiteers will turn to absolutely anything to try and justify their totally stupid and unnecessary brexit.... But you. P.K. Chose to name KC. Stop wriggling. Politics is full of “et tu Brutus” moments, especially at times of realignment due to stress events in national and party interests. Its too soon to portray anyone as winners, traitors, losers, martyrs. At least until the last of the votes are counted on 13 December. Personally I hope that the likes Gove, Johnson, Rees Mogg, Francois, and Farage etc, + Woody2 and woolley) get their comeuppance. But as I don’t have a vote all I can do is encourage my friends to vote tactically for anyone other than Boris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, John Wright said: But you. P.K. Chose to name KC. Stop wriggling. Politics is full of “et tu Brutus” moments, especially at times of realignment due to stress events in national and party interests. Its too soon to portray anyone as winners, traitors, losers, martyrs. At least until the last of the votes are counted on 13 December. Personally I hope that the likes Gove, Johnson, Rees Mogg, Francois, and Farage etc, + Woody2 and woolley) get their comeuppance. But as I don’t have a vote all I can do is encourage my friends to vote tactically for anyone other than Boris. Sure. But what part of "True" is not understood? I picked KC because he was the most notable figure. Simple as. We don't know who to vote for. Because we think that the Labour brexiteers will all vote for totally amoral narcissistic serial philanderer and inveterate liar Boris Johnson. And it doesn't seem to matter how many times you point out that Gina Miller proved beyond any doubt that only our sovereign parliament can make our laws, that UK exports will be hit by tariffs of up to 40% destroying their competitiveness, that will mean the pound will fall in value against the Euro, so the 40% of our food that we import from the EU will cost more, that we need foreign labour and EU citizens coming here contribute more per head to UK PLC than the indigenous population, that fewer mobile EU workers means more migrants coming to the UK wanting to settle here, that the NHS relies heavily on non-UK workers to function and guess what? The brexiteers just don't care. They've been told everything will be just just fine and facts and figures are for snowflakes... Like lemmings over a cliff.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, P.K. said: Sure. But what part of "True" is not understood? I picked KC because he was the most notable figure. Simple as. What you picked him for wasn't true, you know, the sacrificial inference. Had JW not cleared it up you might've gotten away with another hysterical claim. 7 minutes ago, P.K. said: We don't know who to vote for. Because we think that the Labour brexiteers will all vote for Boris Johnson. This doesn't make sense. Who's the "we"? And why shouldn't Labour leavers vote with their conscience? It's a free vote isn't it? More democracy: that's what everyone seems to want. Now you've got it you don't seem to want it. It'll be the Guardian giving you the reflux... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 The great Catalan art form of satirical model making “caganers” ( crappers). Yours for €17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 35 minutes ago, P.K. said: ... we need foreign labour and EU citizens coming here contribute more per head to UK PLC than the indigenous population... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 8 hours ago, manxman1980 said: "I am not voting for some crazy right-wing nationalist organisation calling themselves a Conservative government - but that, I think, is laying it on a bit. I don't think that's where we'll wind up." #fake1880news General election 2019: 'Misleading' Abbott tweet used in Labour campaign https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/50352176 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, quilp said: What you picked him for wasn't true, you know, the sacrificial inference. Had JW not cleared it up you might've gotten away with another hysterical claim. "Hysterical claim" indeed! What nonsense. What part of "he was the most notable figure" is it that you don't understand? Me hysterical? Oh the irony... 1 hour ago, quilp said: This doesn't make sense. Who's the "we"? And why shouldn't Labour leavers vote with their conscience? It's a free vote isn't it? More democracy: that's what everyone seems to want. Now you've got it you don't seem to want it. The "we" is me and my "partner" of course. So it makes perfect sense. Unless you have something of a fevered imagination of course. As to "why shouldn't Labour leavers vote with their conscience?" as far as I'm concerned they vote as they see fit. And in my experience, being partially domiciled in the YUK, they simply can't be reasoned with. They're voting Leave and that is that. However they're very reticent as to why. Also just saying the word "sovereignty" isn't a reason, it's just a word. Is that your experience as well? What do your experiences tell you? Please share... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 For drama, you said KC sacrificed his long-standing career when in fact he was leaving anyway. This was a deliberate untruth to gain effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 8 hours ago, woody2 said: "I am not voting for some crazy right-wing nationalist organisation calling themselves a Conservative government - but that, I think, is laying it on a bit. I don't think that's where we'll wind up." #fake1880news General election 2019: 'Misleading' Abbott tweet used in Labour campaign https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/50352176 Jesus Christ! Did Woody just fact check something or have I been drinking?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 2 hours ago, quilp said: For drama, you said KC sacrificed his long-standing career when in fact he was leaving anyway. This was a deliberate untruth to gain effect. It wasn't a deliberate untruth you clown. I picked his name because he was the most notable rebel figure. I simply wasn't aware he was throwing in the towel. You can be sure of one thing though. It won't be how he wanted to leave... Now, what are your experiences of the reasons why folks who want to leave simply can't be reasoned with? After all, week after week you watch them shouting their empty slogans on QT. Do you have any insights to share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 1 hour ago, manxman1980 said: Jesus Christ! Did Woody just fact check something or have I been drinking?? i always do..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Man unsure if he’s a left-wing Labour voter or a far-right racist A NORTHERN man is undecided as to whether to back the most radically left-wing Labour party of his lifetime or a bunch of far-right hardcore racists. Roy Hobbs, from Hartlepool, has voted Labour all his life but admits he is tempted by the Brexit party’s diametrically opposed political views. He said: “I do like public services, the NHS, higher taxes on billionaires and more rights for workers. But I’m also drawn to abolishing the public sector, privatising the NHS, no taxes on billionaires and no rights for workers. https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/man-unsure-if-hes-a-left-wing-labour-voter-or-a-far-right-racist-20191105190454 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 1 hour ago, P.K. said: Do you have any insights to share? Yes, you're an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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