P.K. Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 16 hours ago, Rog said: The UK ceased to be a superpower many decades ago. So what are your very right wing opinions on Trident? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 hour ago, P.K. said: So what are your very right wing opinions on Trident? I would very much like to see it scrapped. While it remains it buys us NOTHING, it would only ever be used as part of an American action, and simply increases our value as a target. I would go one stage further. I would like to see just quit NATO and invest in OUR security. NATO was created as a mutual protection against a possible threat that ended decades ago. The very real enemy that we face now is a fifth column that requires to be managed by a very much different response - and very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 25 minutes ago, Rog said: I would very much like to see it scrapped. While it remains it buys us NOTHING, it would only ever be used as part of an American action, and simply increases our value as a target. I would go one stage further. I would like to see just quit NATO and invest in OUR security. NATO was created as a mutual protection against a possible threat that ended decades ago. The very real enemy that we face now is a fifth column that requires to be managed by a very much different response - and very soon. Totally wrong. What you possess is the doubt. Will they/won't they...I recall we took nukes to the Falklands and I recall Israel breaking out the nukes...Will they/won't they...That is the value of the investment.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 2 hours ago, P.K. said: So what are your very right wing opinions on Trident? By the way have you seen the massive fire at the Jewish centre on Canvey island in Essex. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Just now, Barrie Stevens said: Totally wrong. What you possess is the doubt. Will they/won't they...I recall we took nukes to the Falklands and I recall Israel breaking out the nukes...Will they/won't they...That is the value of the investment.. Bollocks. Simply put. If you pull the trigger first, it is not a deterrent and people are still going to die en mass on both sides. If you retaliate, then the deterrent didn't work and people are still going to die en mass on both sides. This is of course still ignoring the fact that Trident doesn't work: https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/local-news/ex-royal-navy-sub-commander-3156731 https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/01/trident-dangerous-and-not-reasons-you-think https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/23/how-did-the-trident-test-fail-and-what-did-theresa-may-know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: ...I recall we took nukes to the Falklands... Did the MoD ever confirm/deny that HMS Sheffield had nuclear depth charges on board when it was sunk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: By the way have you seen the massive fire at the Jewish centre on Canvey island in Essex. ??? https://www.thejc.com/community/community-news/fire-badly-damages-canvey-island-yeshiva-1.494647 Apparently candles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Back on topic, Dyson has been quiet since shifting to the Far East after being such a loud champion of Brexit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 minute ago, quilp said: Did the MoD ever confirm/deny that HMS Sheffield had nuclear depth charges on board when it was sunk? No but other countries did and Australia for one banned HM ships from their waters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: Bollocks. Simply put. If you pull the trigger first, it is not a deterrent and people are still going to die en mass on both sides. If you retaliate, then the deterrent didn't work and people are still going to die en mass on both sides. This is of course still ignoring the fact that Trident doesn't work: https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/local-news/ex-royal-navy-sub-commander-3156731 https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/01/trident-dangerous-and-not-reasons-you-think https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/23/how-did-the-trident-test-fail-and-what-did-theresa-may-know Works down on my manor it is the doubt. I possess weapons. My neighbours know. Will he/won't he? Got a visit from the Bill once. Still a doubt...Keeps the idiots at bay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: Works down on my manor it is the doubt. I possess weapons. My neighbours know. Will he/won't he? Got a visit from the Bill once. Still a doubt...Keeps the idiots at bay... So we are paying billions every year for "call my bluff"? Which is funny seeing as the whole world knows that our nukes dont work and are more likely to land on us than the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: So we are paying billions every year for "call my bluff"? Which is funny seeing as the whole world knows that our nukes dont work and are more likely to land on us than the target. Who says our nukes don't work I was at school with lads who went on to do the biz on Polaris...Mind you I was a Prefect..You put who in charge! Long time ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: So we are paying billions every year for "call my bluff"? Which is funny seeing as the whole world knows that our nukes dont work and are more likely to land on us than the target. Nukes are fun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said: Who says our nukes don't work... https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/local-news/ex-royal-navy-sub-commander-3156731 Quote A former Royal Navy officer who commanded nuclear armed submarines says the UK should scrap its independent nuclear deterrent Trident - and use the money saved on ships and submarines with conventional weapons. Commander Robert Forsyth, who retired from the Royal Navy in 1980, claims Trident doesn't work, and isn't independent because it can only be used with US approval. Between 1972-74 Cdr Forsyth was second in command on HMS Repulse -which carried Trident's predecessor Polaris as its nuclear pay load - for four patrols, during one of which he was in charge because the commander was ill. He was promoted to commander in 1974, and captained HMS Sceptre - a nuclear-powered but conventionally-armed hunter-killer submarine from 1977-79. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Stevens Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said: https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/local-news/ex-royal-navy-sub-commander-3156731 40 years ago and you believe it. He probably had a thing about salt pork and biscuits as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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