Manximus Aururaneus Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Given the number of ex / retired labour grandees who say that it will not survive ( Blair, Brown, Field, Burnham, Harris, Cooper, Straw , Blunket, Balls et al) - will the Labour Party be around to fight the next election as the main opposition party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Manximus Aururaneus said: Given the number of ex / retired labour grandees who say that it will not survive ( Blair, Brown, Field, Burnham, Harris, Cooper, Straw , Blunket, Balls et al) - will the Labour Party be around to fight the next election as the main opposition party? Well if it elects Long-Bailey as the new leader it’ll still be around in the sense of half-a-dozen sixth form Trots who will never need to trouble themselves to form a government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 It was surprising that Corbyn (and McDonnell) didn't have the dignity to stand down immediately after the result. Even in the face of party-wide criticism he decided the best way forward was to not, "run away" but to hold on to the reins and refer to the committee for a period of introspection, to analyse what went wrong and where. It doesn't take much analysis to come up with a suitable answer. His standing down at that point would hardly have made much of a difference to a party in such disarray, and to some members it may've come as a salve to soothe the wounds of defeat. It's who takes the reins, post-Corbyn, which will decide Labour's future prospects and longevity as an effective and credible opposition. My prediction would be a Nandy/Starmer combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Starmer as leader would bring establishment standing to the party. Albeit as an unlikely, knighted, Labour-supporting Civil Servant as an ex -Director of Public Prosecutions. Britain is too inherently "centre", politics-wise, for any far left-leaning movement to be successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 At least another 15 years in the wilderness...unless Brexit is a complete economic disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Not as the Marxist racist monstrosity that presently exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 They don't deserve to exist having utterly failed to act as any kind of decent opposition for the last few years whilst the tories have been ripping themselves to bits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 It's about time they put a Tory back in charge of the labour party. Old jezza had them running scared for a while though. I've never quite seen such a mobilisation of smear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 1 minute ago, the stinking enigma said: It's about time they put a Tory back in charge of the labour party. Old jezza had them running scared for a while though. I've never quite seen such a mobilisation of smear. What isn't present can't be smeared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 That's deep rog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 And complete horseshit. Deep horseshit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 An opinion on Labour's failure... https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/my-grandad-hated-thatcher-and-the-tories-heres-why-he-voted-for-boris/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Standing back and looking at it; Corbyn's offerings and people's perception thereof must have been dire to drive ANYBODY towards the Buffoon. With Johnson's demeanour and record, would he have stood a chance against decent opposition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIchard Britten Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Tory Blair moved Labour to far towards the centre with "New Labour", to match the Tories slide to the right. So when Corbyn came along with Leftie ideas, he was seen as too extreme by the now centrist Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 The problem isn't the Labour party as such, but the problem for the Labour party is that the whole country, pretty much, leans towards the Tory philosophy and economics. Thatcher did that by giving council house tenants the right to buy, encouraging everyone to own shares by selling them shares in BT, British Gas, Water etc while simultaneously breaking union powers and closing down uneconomical industries. She painted the country blue. So a traditional Labour party, like Corbyn/MacDonnell will never have a chance. John Smith and then Blair moved them right enough to compete and be acceptable for the Tory leaning UK population, but since 2010 they've gone the other way again. To answer the OP, the labour party will only survive if it changes back towards a Blair/Brown model, ie becomes Tory-lite again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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