John Wright Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 13 minutes ago, monasqueen said: Isn't this a case of the police being asked to apologise for upholding the law (as it was then)? If there should be apologies, they should be from those who made the laws and kept them in place. 1. The police have a discretion which laws to enforce. They chose to enforce minor laws, causing no offence or damage, in operations that cost manpower and resources that could have been better used elsewhere. Driven, no doubt by a bible bashing, fundamentalist, CC. 2. The police choose how to enforce, and in this case used highly questionable tactics and procedures. 3. There has been a Tynwald apology. 4. The police have been willing to apologise for 5+ years but some in the LGBTQ + community have been reluctant to meet to hammer out acceptable wording. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Layman Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, John Wright said: 1. The police have a discretion which laws to enforce. They chose to enforce minor laws, causing no offence or damage, in operations that cost manpower and resources that could have been better used elsewhere. Driven, no doubt by a bible bashing, fundamentalist, CC. 2. The police choose how to enforce, and in this case used highly questionable tactics and procedures. 3. There has been a Tynwald apology. 4. The police have been willing to apologise for 5+ years but some in the LGBTQ + community have been reluctant to meet to hammer out acceptable wording. Why wait for LGBTQ etc to agree an acceptable wording? A simple unequivocal apology should be enough surely? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monasqueen Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 2 hours ago, John Wright said: Driven, no doubt by a bible bashing, fundamentalist, CC. Isn't that equivalent to being a racist comment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 19 minutes ago, monasqueen said: Isn't that equivalent to being a racist comment? No, just equivalent to the truth. Religious fundamentalism has a great deal to answer for 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Peter Layman said: Why wait for LGBTQ etc to agree an acceptable wording? A simple unequivocal apology should be enough surely? You really don't seem to understand diversity and inclusion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 36 minutes ago, monasqueen said: Isn't that equivalent to being a racist comment? What race? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 44 minutes ago, monasqueen said: Isn't that equivalent to being a racist comment? No. They aren’t protected characteristics. They are factual. He was and is entitled to believe what he wants. That is protected. What he wasn’t entitled to do was let his beliefs interfere with operational policing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 23 minutes ago, John Wright said: You really don't seem to understand diversity and inclusion We’ll then I’m afraid I don’t either. If theLGBT community are not able for whatever reason to accept an apology for these horrific actions, why can’t the police issue one unilaterally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: We’ll then I’m afraid I don’t either. If theLGBT community are not able for whatever reason to accept an apology for these horrific actions, why can’t the police issue one unilaterally? It’s quite simple. It’s not even diversity/inclusion specific. It’s general HR, complaints handling. Any agreed outcome is better than imposing, getting it wrong and it dragging on. It’s to do with managing expectations, on both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, John Wright said: It’s quite simple. It’s not even diversity/inclusion specific. It’s general HR, complaints handling. Any agreed outcome is better than imposing, getting it wrong and it dragging on. It’s to do with managing expectations, on both sides. Still don’t get it. If I wrong someone I apologise.I don’t consult with them about the form of words I should use. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Layman Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, John Wright said: You really don't seem to understand diversity and inclusion Really, what is diverse and inclusive about it. Just apologise and move on. Sounds like one party itching for an argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, John Wright said: It’s quite simple. It’s not even diversity/inclusion specific. It’s general HR, complaints handling. Any agreed outcome is better than imposing, getting it wrong and it dragging on. It’s to do with managing expectations, on both sides. So, who is dragging their heels in agreeing a form of words? Alan Shea and Peter Tatchell both think an apology is appropriate. They probably don't represent the entire LGBTQ community, but could they be said to represent the gay community at the time and if they are happy with a particular form of apology, why should individuals who were not directly affected at the time be the ones blocking the apology? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Woman Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 42 minutes ago, Gladys said: So, who is dragging their heels in agreeing a form of words? Alan Shea and Peter Tatchell both think an apology is appropriate. They probably don't represent the entire LGBTQ community, but could they be said to represent the gay community at the time and if they are happy with a particular form of apology, why should individuals who were not directly affected at the time be the ones blocking the apology? I don't know what Mr. Wright is talking about, and neither does he. He didn't attend Saturday's celebration, but he was praised for his contribution, help on legal matters, in 1991. He's had a couple of garden parties years ago for gay people that he knew, and that's all she wrote! He is not relevant in the gay community on the Island and his opinion is not sought after, although, of course, he can say what he wants, nobody cares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 26 minutes ago, Mrs. Woman said: I don't know what Mr. Wright is talking about, and neither does he. He didn't attend Saturday's celebration, but he was praised for his contribution, help on legal matters, in 1991. He's had a couple of garden parties years ago for gay people that he knew, and that's all she wrote! He is not relevant in the gay community on the Island and his opinion is not sought after, although, of course, he can say what he wants, nobody cares. Crikey! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Mrs. Woman said: I don't know what Mr. Wright is talking about, and neither does he. He didn't attend Saturday's celebration, but he was praised for his contribution, help on legal matters, in 1991. He's had a couple of garden parties years ago for gay people that he knew, and that's all she wrote! He is not relevant in the gay community on the Island and his opinion is not sought after, although, of course, he can say what he wants, nobody cares. What a bizarre post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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