HeliX Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, MrGarrison said: So you’re denying gay conversion therapy and historic electro treatment of gay people never happened as supposed mental health treatments? It would seem to many that the trans lobby have the easiest time of the lot. At some day most will just end up fitting into a heteronormative society accepted in the gender that they want to be whilst their gay and LGBT+++++ comrades still end up being marginalized. It always surprises me how the trans lobby are allowed to fit into the queer world and muddy the waters when really their ultimate aim is to fit in with societal norms regarding sexuality and gender and live a normal life in the gender they choose to be. We're talking present day, not past. Easiest time of the lot? In 2020 The Times & Sunday Times ran over 300 articles that were anti-trans/trans-skeptic. No outcry. How many anti-LGB articles would they have to run to be ostracised? One? Probably. Online discussion boards are full of arguments over whether trans people are real or faking, whether they should be denied access to various bits of society, whether they're all "groomers" trying to turn other kids trans/gay/whatever. That doesn't happen with LGB (at least not in the main). I would bet my house that trans people are not accepted by society at a time where LGB folk are still being marginalised. The ultimate aim of LGB is still to fit into societal norms too, because societal norms should include LGB (and TQIA+ etc). Edited August 27, 2022 by HeliX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 https://www.stonewall.org.uk/lgbt-britain-hate-crime-and-discrimination Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGarrison Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, HeliX said: Online discussion boards are full of arguments over whether trans people are real or faking, whether they should be denied access to various bits of society, whether they're all "groomers" trying to turn other kids trans/gay/whatever. That doesn't happen with LGB (at least not in the main). Yes online discussion boards are a real benchmark of factual mental health assessments. I’d guess there might be a time the LGBT++++ community will work out how bad they’ve been conned by the trans lobby. The minute they get what they want they’ll be off living their normal lives in the gender role they chose not living on the margins on conventional society or pushing any boundaries. But fully in stealth mode trying to either shield or hide their history in order to fit in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Just now, MrGarrison said: Yes online discussion boards are a real benchmark of factual mental health assessments. I’d guess there might be a time the LGBT++++ community will work out how bad they’ve been conned by the trans lobby. The minute they get what they want they’ll be off living their normal lives in the gender role they chose not living on the margins on conventional society or pushing any boundaries. But fully in stealth mode trying to either shield or hide their history in order to fit in. They're a benchmark of public opinion and discussion, because that's what they literally are. I'd love to see this world you imagine where the sort of Neanderthal thugs who oppose the existence of trans folk suddenly forget all that because they're not (all) gay. Wild. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Anyone remember this insufferable piece of garbage..? Thank fuck he's disappeared from public life... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGarrison Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) 49 minutes ago, HeliX said: They're a benchmark of public opinion and discussion, because that's what they literally are. No it’s just online noise. It’s nothing like people experienced decades ago fearing violence and other direct abuse for presenting as gay or otherwise different in public. As I said there may become a time when the LGBT +++++ community believes it’s been conned by the trans lobby. Their agenda is to fit in. To be accepted for something other than what they might initially appear to be. The minute they’ve got what they want (which is to be accepted as the gender role they choose) they'll quite possibly be off happy that they got what they wanted and that society now accepts that as fitting in with conventionally accepted gender roles. But what might be left is a lot of people who want to live their lives outside conventional norms or push for wider acceptance of how they want to live their lives feeling quite cheated that they gave them their platform to use and then disappear. Edited August 27, 2022 by MrGarrison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGarrison Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, quilp said: Anyone remember this insufferable piece of garbage..? Thank fuck he's disappeared from public life... Did he ever work again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 1 minute ago, MrGarrison said: No it’s just online noise. It’s nothing like people experienced decades ago fearing violence and other direct abuse for presenting as gay or otherwise different in public. As I said there may become a time when the LGBT +++++ community believes it’s been conned by the trans lobby. Their agenda is to fit in. To be accepted for something other than what they might initially appear to be. The minute they’ve got what they want (which is to be accepted as the gender role they choose) they'll be off happy that they got what they wanted and that society now accepts that as fitting in with gender roles. But what might be left is a lot of people who want to live their lives outside conventional norms feeling quite cheated that they gave them their platform to use and then dessert. Most people who are trans also fall into the LGB categories. As for not having to fear violence/direct abuse... One in five LGBT people (21 per cent) have experienced a hate crime or incident due to their sexual orientation and/or gender identity in the last 12 months Two in five trans people (41 per cent) have experienced a hate crime or incident because of their gender identity in the last 12 months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGarrison Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, HeliX said: Most people who are trans also fall into the LGB categories. As for not having to fear violence/direct abuse... One in five LGBT people (21 per cent) have experienced a hate crime or incident due to their sexual orientation and/or gender identity in the last 12 months Two in five trans people (41 per cent) have experienced a hate crime or incident because of their gender identity in the last 12 months That doesn’t even make sense as there is no separate category for trans for them to them carve out. Edited August 27, 2022 by MrGarrison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, MrGarrison said: That doesn’t even make sense as there is no separate category for trans for them to them carve out. "Trans respondents" in massive letters at the top. Every single one of those responses is already in the trans category. Trans isn't a sexuality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGarrison Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, HeliX said: "Trans respondents" in massive letters at the top. Every single one of those responses is already in the trans category. Trans isn't a sexuality. You’re confusing your own post yourself as you say that most trans fall into the wider LGB categories. I’m sure a lot of it is perceived crime anyway. I was misgendered that’s a hate crime. Whereas if nobody openly called me a homo no crime has occurred to a gay person. It’s meaningless. There will become a time when the LGB community realize they’ve been conned by a big part of the trans community just to get what they want - which is acceptance in a heteronormative society. Which isn’t as easy for gay people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 1 minute ago, MrGarrison said: You’re confusing your own post yourself as you say that most trans fall into the wider LGB categories. They do. As per the table above. Only 9.4% of them are the heteronormative menace hijacking the LGBTQIA+ movement that you seem to be so concerned by. Quote There will become a time when the LGB community realize they’ve been conned by a big part of the trans community just to get what they want - which is acceptance in a heteronormative society. Which isn’t as easy for gay people. 73.1% of the respondents from the trans community are part of the LGB community, irrespective of their trans-ness. If being trans became wholly acceptable tomorrow, 73.1% of them (and I'm being conservative by not counting the "Other", "Don't know" and "Prefer not to say" in the non-heterosexual statistics) would still face the same discrimination as the LGB community. And yet you seem to believe they somehow face less... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGarrison Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 1 minute ago, HeliX said: They do. As per the table above. Only 9.4% of them are the heteronormative menace hijacking the LGBTQIA+ movement that you seem to be so concerned by. 73.1% of the respondents from the trans community are part of the LGB community, irrespective of their trans-ness. If being trans became wholly acceptable tomorrow, 73.1% of them (and I'm being conservative by not counting the "Other", "Don't know" and "Prefer not to say" in the non-heterosexual statistics) would still face the same discrimination as the LGB community. And yet you seem to believe they somehow face less... Ask one of the drag queens quoted above when perhaps they’re a 40 year old housewife happily cooking their husbands tea and trying to erase their Google history of all the things they fought for 20 years ago. Which might be exactly what they got. Which was to ultimately be treated in the societal role they wanted to assume. While a 40 year old gay man and his partner is still treated as a 40 year old gay man in a perceived unconventional relationship. It could well be the trans movement is hijacking a lot of what other queer folk have been fighting for and will profit much more from it in terms of acceptance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 1 minute ago, MrGarrison said: Ask one of the drag queens quoted above when perhaps they’re a 40 year old housewife happily cooking their husbands tea and trying to erase their Google history of all the things they fought for 20 years ago. Which might be exactly what they got. Which was to ultimately be treated in the societal role they wanted to assume. While a 40 year old gay man and his partner is still treated as a 40 year old gay man in a perceived unconventional relationship. It could well be the trans movement is hijacking a lot of what other queer folk have been fighting for and will profit much more from it in terms of acceptance. What if they're not in the 9.4% of trans people who are straight? It's a nice story in an attempt to back up your point which has absolutely no grounding in reality, but not a very good deflection from the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriT Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 12 hours ago, MrGarrison said: It could well be the trans movement is hijacking a lot of what other queer folk have been fighting for and will profit much more from it in terms of acceptance. Interesting in that context. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1661323/row-twitter-police-kick-lesbians-out-cardiff-pride-march Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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