sir nige Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 great news..... i pay my own staff in full regardless...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, sir nige said: great news..... i pay my own staff in full regardless...... Chocolate buttons are not recognised as a currency. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) The U.K. population is 68 million. Hubei province, which has been on lock down for weeks is 56 million. The U.K. is saying workers entitled to sick pay should get sick-pay from day one. The self employed, zero hours and part-time workers the U.K. economy relies on only have recourse to universal credit, which takes five weeks to get. Johnson seems to think a few sound bites are going to keep Britain together, when it might be better to think about rationing, emergency hospital building and rejoining all European agencies connected with healthcare and medical supplies right now. Unless, of course, the plan is to cull the elderly? Edited March 4, 2020 by Freggyragh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir nige Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, Freggyragh said: The U.K. population is 68 million. Hubei province, which has been on lock down for weeks is 56 million. The U.K. is saying workers entitled to sick pay should get sick-pay from day one. The self employed, zero hours and part-time workers the U.K. economy relies on only have recourse to universal credit, which takes five weeks to get. Johnson seems to think a few sound bites are going to keep Britain together, when it might be better to think about rationing, emergency hospital building and rejoining all European agencies connected with healthcare and medical supplies right now. Unless, of course, the plan is to cull the elderly? #snowflakearmageddon (the eu limit medical supplies) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Facts. (Not Woody Facts). The first known case of the virus occurred in Hubei province at the beginning of December. The Chinese government notified the WHO on the 7th of January. On the 23rd of January the Chinese government put the 59.17M people of Hubei province into quarantine. Public meeting were banned. Schools and workplaces were shut down. Travel in and out of the province was banned, except for emergency supplies, such as food and medicine. All private and public transport except emergency vehicles banned. Only one person per household is allowed outside to get provisions once every two days - except for health and pharmacy workers. 16 new 1000 bed+ hospitals have been or are being built to meet emergency care demand. 25,000 medical staff from across Chinai have been brought into Hubei to help with the crisis. By January 31st the death toll in Hubei reached 170, with 9,809 cases. Despite all the measure taken in China the death toll reached 2,946, nearly all in Hubei, by March 4th, with a further 80,302 reported cases. The good news is that the number of new cases has begun to fall and one of the new hospitals has been closed. The first cases in the U.K. were reported at the end of January, and now stand at 85, so, you might say that the U.K. is about where Hubei was at Christmas. Johnson’s response so far: Wash your hands. Private business to pay sick pay from day one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, sir nige said: great news..... i pay my own staff in full regardless...... Cool. So do we... What about all those SME's who can't afford it? What about all the self-employed who don't qualify? What about all those on the wonderful zero hours contracts who don't qualify? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir nige Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, Freggyragh said: Facts. (Not Woody Facts). The first known case of the virus occurred in Hubei province at the beginning of December. The Chinese government notified the WHO on the 7th of January. On the 23rd of January the Chinese government put the 59.17M people of Hubei province into quarantine. Public meeting were banned. Schools and workplaces were shut down. Travel in and out of the province was banned, except for emergency supplies, such as food and medicine. All private and public transport except emergency vehicles banned. Only one person per household is allowed outside to get provisions once every two days - except for health and pharmacy workers. 16 new 1000 bed+ hospitals have been or are being built to meet emergency care demand. 25,000 medical staff from across Chinai have been brought into Hubei to help with the crisis. By January 31st the death toll in Hubei reached 170, with 9,809 cases. Despite all the measure taken in China the death toll reached 2,946, nearly all in Hubei, by March 4th, with a further 80,302 reported cases. The good news is that the number of new cases has begun to fall and one of the new hospitals has been closed. The first cases in the U.K. were reported at the end of January, and now stand at 85, so, you might say that the U.K. is about where Hubei was at Christmas. Johnson’s response so far: Wash your hands. Private business to pay sick pay from day one. and that has zero to do with what i highlighted....... 1 hour ago, sir nige said: 1 hour ago, Freggyragh said: when it might be better to think about rationing, emergency hospital building and rejoining all European agencies connected with healthcare and medical supplies right now. the eu destroyed healthcare and research in the uk....... and due to ukexit te uk has massive stocks of medical supplies and medicine......the eu doesn't....... didn't your lot make a great fuss about spending this money #blackswan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir nige Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: Cool. So do we... What about all those SME's who can't afford it? What about all the self-employed who don't qualify? What about all those on the wonderful zero hours contracts who don't qualify? did they forget the 3 month rule? its been around longer than i have....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, sir nige said: did they forget the 3 month rule? its been around longer than i have....... Which 3 month rule? Would it really be to much to expect more than a one sentence answer from you? P.S. I am expecting you to answer "yes" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 11 hours ago, manxman1980 said: Cool. So do we... What about all those SME's who can't afford it? What about all the self-employed who don't qualify? What about all those on the wonderful zero hours contracts who don't qualify? Those on zero hour contracts will see no change as far as their tax payer handouts are concerned, the self employed should have planned for periods of unemployment. What is happening is unprecedented and is going to affect everyone to varying degrees from shortages because of damaged supply lines to imposition of restrictions on movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir nige Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 11 hours ago, manxman1980 said: Which 3 month rule? Would it really be to much to expect more than a one sentence answer from you? P.S. I am expecting you to answer "yes" rainy day fund....you keep 3 months wages set aside..... rather funny you mention zero hours.....because that was caused by mass eu immigration which you support...... anyway sounds like bj is working on a plan so no need for hysteria........ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 30 minutes ago, sir nige said: rainy day fund....you keep 3 months wages set aside..... rather funny you mention zero hours.....because that was caused by mass eu immigration which you support...... anyway sounds like bj is working on a plan so no need for hysteria........ So yesterdays big announcement on statutory sick pay had no real effect did it? Well apart from small businesses being placed under additional financial pressure as they cannot reclaim statutory sick pay via PAYE anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 minute ago, manxman1980 said: So yesterdays big announcement on statutory sick pay had no real effect did it? Well apart from small businesses being placed under additional financial pressure as they cannot reclaim statutory sick pay via PAYE anymore. Comes under the category of one of the risks of having a small business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, Rog said: Comes under the category of one of the risks of having a small business. Agreed, however, Johnson's announcement sounded like the Government were going to be paying people statutory sick pay. It is another deliberately misleading statement to the masses who do not know how statutory sick pay works and the fact that organisations cannot reclaim SSP any more. Ironically, of course, the Tory party are considered to be the party for businesses and entrepreneurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: Agreed, however, Johnson's announcement sounded like the Government were going to be paying people statutory sick pay. It is another deliberately misleading statement to the masses who do not know how statutory sick pay works and the fact that organisations cannot reclaim SSP any more. Ironically, of course, the Tory party are considered to be the party for businesses and entrepreneurs. He simply stated the change to be introduced to SSP. That's all that needed to be said. How employers implement it is rightly their issue. It's the sort of thing that comes with other the territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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