Freggyragh Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Some good news: The Bundeswehr (German land defence army) has donated 60 top of the range ventilators to the U.K. free of charge. No need for PK to wax political about it. It speaks for itself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Freggyragh said: Some good news: The Bundeswehr (German land defence army) has donated 60 top of the range ventilators to the U.K. free of charge. No need for PK to wax political about it. It speaks for itself. I should hope so too! We guarded their borders for long enough... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Rog, Sir Nige, and all the other wierdos are not going to like me saying this, but so many in the Muslim community are bloody heroes, we’re so lucky to have them: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/consultant-who-pleaded-for-more-nhs-hospital-ppe-dies-of-coronavirus 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 24 minutes ago, Freggyragh said: Rog, Sir Nige, and all the other wierdos are not going to like me saying this, but so many in the Muslim community are bloody heroes, we’re so lucky to have them: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/consultant-who-pleaded-for-more-nhs-hospital-ppe-dies-of-coronavirus It's true. Plenty of them at Nobles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Good for him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 It will be good to see him out and obviously much better than he was last week, which wasn't good at all. I'd never count chickens with it until then because some people are apparently improving and then it bites them on the arse once again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted April 10, 2020 Author Share Posted April 10, 2020 13 hours ago, Freggyragh said: Rog, Sir Nige, and all the other wierdos are not going to like me saying this, but so many in the Muslim community are bloody heroes, we’re so lucky to have them: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/consultant-who-pleaded-for-more-nhs-hospital-ppe-dies-of-coronavirus ONE MORE TIME. My issue is with the so called religion (which is actually a mind destroying cult far worse than the Roman Catholic 'church' which is bad enough) and not with the majority of the poor sods trapped in it. The way that so many of them rather than skedaddle back home to relative safety have stayed to support our NHS can only be admired, I certainly do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted April 10, 2020 Author Share Posted April 10, 2020 14 hours ago, P.K. said: I should hope so too! We guarded their borders for long enough... Having bombed the sh*t out of them in a succession of war crimes such as the unforgivable Dresden Fire Storm which was a deliberate attack against civilians - and Dresden is just the best known example. Let's not kid ourselves, the principle reason for BAOR and American military presence was about keeping the Erics under the thumb and protecting mostly American investments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Absolutely essential watching for all: https://youtu.be/L6wIcpdJyCI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 @ Rog's triggering post Having been to Peenemünde , the museum there showed that the reality would have been that they would have targeted every single UK city and its civilian population had the technically amazing V2 been flying 1-2 years earlier with sufficient numbers. There is little doubt this would have changed the outcome of the war they started. In fact after development and production was moved to Nordhausen they were trying to work out if they could increase the range as far as New York. Mind you with a fuel burn of over 2 tonnes a minute, it might have been quite a technological challenge. Dresden was wrong but let's not get misty eyed about the Nazi intention. They would have done much worse to us had this truly awesome weapon been available earlier. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Good post BB. The Nazi's toyed with the idea of developing the launching of V-weapons from converted U-boats to attack the yanks. Dresden was a marshaling area for rail transportations to the east. It was not as insignificant a target as Rog makes out. I think the full realisation, by then, of what was going on in the camps induced a show-no-mercy attitude in the allies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Total war makes all barbaric. What happened to societies between 37 and 45 in some ways gives me faith that this pandemic won’t be too damaging - it isn’t laying waste to cities and creating conditions where industrial mass murder is a norm. That said seeing mass graves in NY is sobering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 We think we're clever and we've built a lot of stuff, but in the end we're as fragile as anything else that nature constructs. We are made of water, a few carbon compounds and other elements. We don't understand how those components are brought to life as humans. Then something like this comes along and shows us we are entirely in the hands of natural events far beyond our control. We can be thankful for now that this episode is not much more deadly than it is. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xToAsTx Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 "If you have ten thousand regulations, you destroy all respect for the law." "We contend that for a nation to fine itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle." "You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." Rahm Emanuel Wall Street Journal, November 19, 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 So lack of PPE is the fault of NHS staff? What’s wrong with English politicians? Why can’t they ever be self-critical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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