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[Rog]

2 minutes ago, P.K. said:

What's with the "drinking again" nonsense Roger?

I really think it's time you stopped being a parasite and sponging off of those who have to live on a lot less than you've got coming in.

You believe in means testing. Good. So do I.

High time you means tested yourself.....

Look, we don't sponge off anyone. We have private health insurance so we make no calls on the NHS. We pay all taxes that we am obliged to pay. I don't even have a bus pass. The council tax that we pay is near to 3000 quid a year, (band H) and we are behove to nobody.

Envy really is such an unpleasant characteristic PK.  It seems to be something that is endemic in those who hate success and the successful --- and hate the freedom and responsibilities that come with BREXIT.

 

[P.K.]

8 minutes ago, Rog said:

Envy really is such an unpleasant characteristic PK.  It seems to be something that is endemic in those who hate success and the successful --- and hate the freedom and responsibilities that come with BREXIT.

Me envious of you and your hate-filled opinions? Dream on.

So for a start you could donate your State Pension to charity. You could pay for all your medicines. That's just for starters.

Because I completely agree with your ethic thus:

3 hours ago, Rog said:

any tax payer cash handouts should be means tested. 

Of course, if you mean all your constant tirades and diktats putting down those less fortunate than you just should never apply to yourself then that just makes you the very worst kind of hypocrite....

[Freggyragh]

I kind of agree with Rog that only those incapable of working should receive benefits. I also think healthcare professionals’ terms and conditions should be set by the practitioners according to supply and demand, not according to what the NHS and BUPA sees fit or artificial codes of conduct. The staff should be free to treat patients according to the human worth of the individual and what they see as the potential saving in human capital from and value to society in their work. Sadly in your case Rog that would mean they’d be less inclined to give a bed to you than they would the contents of your bag. 

[P.K.]

5 minutes ago, Freggyragh said:

I kind of agree with Rog that only those incapable of working should receive benefits. I also think healthcare professionals’ terms and conditions should be set by the practitioners according to supply and demand, not according to what the NHS and BUPA sees fit or artificial codes of conduct. The staff should be free to treat patients according to the human worth of the individual and what they see as the potential saving in human capital from and value to society in their work. Sadly in your case Rog that would mean they’d be less inclined to give a bed to you than they would the contents of your bag. 

You ride a bike and are Norman Tebbit and I claim my £5.

The DWP "fitness for work" program has been as big a disaster as the totally discredited "Universal Credit" farrago.

The problem being that appearing physically fit enough to work doesn't automatically mean that you are mentally fit enough for work.

With an appeal success rate of nearly 70% it's just another reason why right wing governments picking on the most vulnerable in our society should just be told to FOAD....

[Rog]

11 hours ago, P.K. said:

Me envious of you and your hate-filled opinions? Dream on.

So for a start you could donate your State Pension to charity. You could pay for all your medicines. That's just for starters.

Because I completely agree with your ethic thus:

Of course, if you mean all your constant tirades and diktats putting down those less fortunate than you just should never apply to yourself then that just makes you the very worst kind of hypocrite....

I do pay for all medicines that I need.  With private health care one can't pick and mix with the NHS.

In any case it is only because of decades of unstinting effort and BLOODY HARD AND OFTEN VERY DANGEROUS WORK that I am in the position that I am in.  Where it not so self respect would mean that I would not even attempt to get a free ride and simply have money handed to me - and do nothing in return.

I believe this is something that most people who have invested in their families and their families in every way possible have in common.  Some people call us the Thatcher generation which to us is a compliment, others whinge about how selfish we were and often quote from some of her speeches, usually cherry picking or out of context or simply denying and condemning her (and our) principles but that only means they reject the things that saved the UK from the very edge of the abyss that corrupt and very often USSR backed unions had driven the UK to.  Then there was the humongous damage successive years of Socialist Labour idiocy and weak Conservative government had caused, often because of the awful power trades unions had gathered to themselves.

The greatest benefit that BREXIT has brought second only to the country regaining independence is that it has brought into office the government that it has to reintroduce what is still called Thatcherism but is really sanity and a way forward. Another example of the idiom "come the hour come the man" if EVER there was.

Edited March 6, 2020 by Rog

[manxman1980]

46 minutes ago, Rog said:

The greatest benefit that BREXIT has brought second only to the country regaining independence is that it has brought into office the government that it has to reintroduce what is still called Thatcherism but is really sanity and a way forward. Another example of the idiom "come the hour come the man" if EVER there was.

Wasn't the Common Market often cited as one of Thatchers greatest legacies?  Some quotes from https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/102136 below....

"Mrs. Margaret Thatcher, MP for Finchley, in a vigorous appeal for approval of the Government's Common Market plans, told 170 constituents that “our traditional markets are failing.”

She said Australia, Canada and the new Commonwealth were forming close links with countries near them—and Britain must look urgently elsewhere for trade."

"She told her audience: “We have a tendency to be isolationist, and yet we expect to be listened to in the world.”"

Isn't it ironic..

 

[Rog]

11 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

Wasn't the Common Market often cited as one of Thatchers greatest legacies?  Some quotes from https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/102136 below....

"Mrs. Margaret Thatcher, MP for Finchley, in a vigorous appeal for approval of the Government's Common Market plans, told 170 constituents that “our traditional markets are failing.”

She said Australia, Canada and the new Commonwealth were forming close links with countries near them—and Britain must look urgently elsewhere for trade."

"She told her audience: “We have a tendency to be isolationist, and yet we expect to be listened to in the world.”"

Isn't it ironic..

 

The common market was a trading bloc, it morphed into something VERY different until eventually becoming what it has. 

[sir nige]

46 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

Wasn't the Common Market often cited as one of Thatchers greatest legacies?  Some quotes from https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/102136 below....

"Mrs. Margaret Thatcher, MP for Finchley, in a vigorous appeal for approval of the Government's Common Market plans, told 170 constituents that “our traditional markets are failing.”

She said Australia, Canada and the new Commonwealth were forming close links with countries near them—and Britain must look urgently elsewhere for trade."

"She told her audience: “We have a tendency to be isolationist, and yet we expect to be listened to in the world.”"

Isn't it ironic..

 

no no no..........

[manxman1980]

 

12 minutes ago, sir nige said:

no no no..........

[sir nige]

 

[P.K.]

1 hour ago, Rog said:

I do pay for all medicines that I need.  With private health care one can't pick and mix with the NHS.

In any case it is only because of decades of unstinting effort and BLOODY HARD AND OFTEN VERY DANGEROUS WORK that I am in the position that I am in.  Where it not so self respect would mean that I would not even attempt to get a free ride and simply have money handed to me - and do nothing in return.

I believe this is something that most people who have invested in their families and their families in every way possible have in common.  Some people call us the Thatcher generation which to us is a compliment, others whinge about how selfish we were and often quote from some of her speeches, usually cherry picking or out of context or simply denying and condemning her (and our) principles but that only means they reject the things that saved the UK from the very edge of the abyss that corrupt and very often USSR backed unions had driven the UK to.  Then there was the humongous damage successive years of Socialist Labour idiocy and weak Conservative government had caused, often because of the awful power trades unions had gathered to themselves.

The greatest benefit that BREXIT has brought second only to the country regaining independence is that it has brought into office the government that it has to reintroduce what is still called Thatcherism but is really sanity and a way forward. Another example of the idiom "come the hour come the man" if EVER there was.

Dear me but there are holes in these so-called "arguments" big enough to drive through a Smokey Joe.

I absolutely agree with your:

16 hours ago, Rog said:

any tax payer cash handouts should be means tested. 

so for starters you should stop claiming your State Pension.

You're wasting your time playing the private healthcare card. I had private healthcare as a benny from a US multinational and both the operations I had for Manx Disease took place in an NHS hospital which was funded and built by joe public.

As for dangerous work the miners you no doubt railed against for striking were doing the most dangerous job in the country. Something people tend to forget. When Thatcher sacrificed them on the alter of political dogma that unfortunate accolade fell to the fisherman.

So by your own ethic you should stop sponging off of those who are getting by with a lot less than you are....

[Rog]

4 minutes ago, P.K. said:

Dear me but there are holes in these so-called "arguments" big enough to drive through a Smokey Joe.

I absolutely agree with your:

so for starters you should stop claiming your State Pension.

You're wasting your time playing the private healthcare card. I had private healthcare as a benny from a US multinational and both the operations I had for Manx Disease took place in an NHS hospital which was funded and built by joe public.

As for dangerous work the miners you no doubt railed against for striking were doing the most dangerous job in the country. Something people tend to forget. When Thatcher sacrificed them on the alter of political dogma that unfortunate accolade fell to the fisherman.

So by your own ethic you should stop sponging off of those who are getting by with a lot less than you are....

When NHS resources are used to deliver services on behalf of private medical cover they charge the earth.  

The mining industry was a lame duck that had to be culled. Lame duck industries that WERE sponging of the tax payers because of totally unjustified subsidies simply had to be got rid of.

My state age related benefit (it's not a pension) is a very small part of what I would be entitled to if we did not have private health cover and so I still lose out twice over, once for the portion of tax that I pay that funds the NHS and second for not making any call on the NHS that I have been obliged to pay for. 

Sorry old son, sponging of anyone is precisely what I don't do. The could work and should work but chose not to work but sponge off the hard working tax payers, they're a whole different kettle of fish.

[sir nige]

23 minutes ago, P.K. said:

Dear me but there are holes in these so-called "arguments" big enough to drive through a Smokey Joe.

I absolutely agree with your:

so for starters you should stop claiming your State Pension.

You're wasting your time playing the private healthcare card. I had private healthcare as a benny from a US multinational and both the operations I had for Manx Disease took place in an NHS hospital which was funded and built by joe public.

As for dangerous work the miners you no doubt railed against for striking were doing the most dangerous job in the country. Something people tend to forget. When Thatcher sacrificed them on the alter of political dogma that unfortunate accolade fell to the fisherman.

So by your own ethic you should stop sponging off of those who are getting by with a lot less than you are....

labour shut more.....

[P.K.]

4 minutes ago, Rog said:

When NHS resources are used to deliver services on behalf of private medical cover they charge the earth.  

The mining industry was a lame duck that had to be culled. Lame duck industries that WERE sponging of the tax payers because of totally unjustified subsidies simply had to be got rid of.

My state age related benefit (it's not a pension) is a very small part of what I would be entitled to if we did not have private health cover and so I still lose out twice over, once for the portion of tax that I pay that funds the NHS and second for not making any call on the NHS that I have been obliged to pay for. 

Sorry old son, sponging of anyone is precisely what I don't do. The could work and should work but chose not to work but sponge off the hard working tax payers, they're a whole different kettle of fish.

Don't try and bs me Roger.

We only have your word for the above and in any event you are receiving cash from the state that you would lose were it means tested.

You're a hypocrite.

[P.K.]

1 minute ago, sir nige said:

labour shut more.....

There has just GOT to be a link for this.

So where is it?