Uhtred Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, P.K. said: Errrr Only all of the brexiteers it would seem. After all, he is their cheerleader.... @Shake me up Judy I said ‘Who in their right mind...’ so that excluded the Johnson-fawning element of the Brexiteers. Edited April 19, 2020 by Uhtred 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Vital PPE kit, including 400,000 gowns, delayed on way to UK Reasons for failure of 84-tonne consignment to arrive from Turkey on Sunday are unclear https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/19/vital-ppe-equipment-including-400000-gowns-en-route-to-uk-delayed-nhs-coronavirus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Cue Woolley with an ‘apolitic’ robust defence of de Pfeffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Freggyragh said: Cue Woolley with an ‘apolitic’ robust defence of de Pfeffer. It’s de Pfeffel actually, but you’re right...the defences of this shameless, stumbling incompetent will become increasingly arcane and distorted. I’m actually looking forward to it. Genuinely. We all need a laugh at present. Elect a clown, expect a circus. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 18 hours ago, Uhtred said: It’s de Pfeffel actually, but you’re right...the defences of this shameless, stumbling incompetent will become increasingly arcane and distorted. I’m actually looking forward to it. Genuinely. We all need a laugh at present. Elect a clown, expect a circus. I notice that Downing Street has issued an "unprecedented" rebuttal of the ST piece, which simply put a decent timeline around reports being published for weeks by papers like the Grauniad. So "unprecedented" in this case means the reports are therefore true. I had a quick look at the "rebuttal" which was surprisingly (not) a fair way down on the Wail site. It just seems a lot of "no it wasn't" with lots of waffle that is insubstantial and can't be substantuated. This caught my eye though Examples of scientific commentary from the time: which then gives examples of scientific folks basically saying "we know nothing" the inference being, of course, that there was no reason to be alarmed. Needless to say all the scientific folk going "Holy shit!" simply weren't worth worrying about. Isn't that right Dom? Like those the "herd immunity" nonsense would have culled... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) UK ONS has just issued COVID19 deaths statistics which incorporate care home deaths and deaths outside hospitals. It hikes the UK Govt's official figure (which is hospital deaths only) by 41% (source, Sky News). Edited April 21, 2020 by Non-Believer Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 What on earth are these people doing...? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/apr/21/government-misses-out-on-14m-facemasks-for-nhs-in-four-weeks Government misses out on 16m facemasks for NHS in four weeks Companies say their offers to supply much-needed PPE have been met with silence The government has missed opportunities to secure at least 16m face masks for NHS staff in the past four weeks, amid growing frustration from companies who say Britain is losing much-needed equipment to other countries. As ministers faced relentless questions over a shortage of personal protective equipment (PPE) in hospitals, suppliers said their offers to deliver UK-standard face masks were being met with silence from the government. And on another day of chaos over the government’s PPE procurement, a senior civil servant said that its decision to stay out of a joint EU scheme was politically motivated. However he was ordered to clarify his claim within hours after he was contradicted by the health secretary, Matt Hancock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 That's 'Project Fear Mark 2' PK. Criticism of these incompetents is 'talking Britain down'. it must be the fault of Westminster Eurocrats. Just stepped in to cover for Woolley there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 On 4/19/2020 at 1:04 PM, pongo said: https://archive.is/20200418182037/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-38-days-when-britain-sleepwalked-into-disaster-hq3b9tlgh Sunday Times: 38 days when Britain sleepwalked into disaster Shocking report if true. The plot thickens. The ST's piece about Bozo and his administration's lackadaisical approach to the inevitable onset of Covid-19 caused quite a stir. No less than in No 10 where a rebuttal was put out ASAFP. They were mostly about semantics, a la Roger, but then being up against facts leaves you little wriggle room. But the idea of the rebuttal was probably to prevent MSM like the BBC picking it up and running with it and in that it was successful. Unfortunately it appears they picked on the wrong person. Part of the rebuttal: Claim - ‘This was despite the publication that day of an alarming study by Chinese doctors in the medical journal The Lancet. It assessed the lethal potential of the virus, for the first time suggesting it was comparable to the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic, which killed up to 50 million people.' Response - The editor of the Lancet, on exactly the same day – 23 January - called for “caution” and accused the media of ‘escalating anxiety by talking of a ‘killer virus’ and ‘growing fears’. He wrote: ‘In truth, from what we currently know, 2019-nCoV has moderate transmissibility and relatively low pathogenicity. There is no reason to foster panic with exaggerated language.’ The Sunday Times is suggesting that there was a scientific consensus around the fact that this was going to be a pandemic – that is plainly untrue. The editor of The Lancet, Richard Horton FRCP FMedSci, responded with this: Just for the record: The UK government is deliberately rewriting history in it's ongoing COVID-19 disinformation campaign. My Jan 24 tweet called for caution in UK media reporting. It was followed by a series of tweets drawing attention to the dangers of this new disease. So the editor of The Lancet ended up rebutting no 10's rebuttal. You just couldn't make it up. No 10 is refusing ROI's. Why could that be I wonder...? I thought this was particularly ironic: "The Sunday Times is suggesting that there was a scientific consensus around the fact that this was going to be a pandemic – that is plainly untrue. " It is thought the virus reached the UK in mid January... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) UK COVID deaths 763 for yesterday. A rise in the number of London area COVID deaths too. Meanwhile, new information out of China suggests that the virus is mutating. Spain reports another 400 deaths and extends lockdown. Source Sky News. Edited April 22, 2020 by Non-Believer Revision 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 How SARS-Cov-2 kills you - from Science Magazine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojomonkey Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 8 hours ago, Chinahand said: How SARS-Cov-2 kills you - from Science Magazine. I think you need to change you bedtime reading. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecobob Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 It’s not a pleasant way to go though and we have no idea yet as to then long term damage done to the deep alveoli in the lungs. I’ve been wired up for fifteen minutes a day with a nebuliser filled with colloidal silver. I’ve read everything that tells me I’m wasting my time but with that and my Wim Hoff breathing (and throwing myself in the river once a day) I feel as though my lungs are as clear as they’ve ever been. Placebo or no, I’m carrying on. Frankly, I’ve got fuck all else to do anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Just dry yourself off properly before you start messing with that electricity again! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecobob Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, doc.fixit said: Just dry yourself off properly before you start messing with that electricity again! Funnily enough I’ve got a big job on today wiring up some ceiling pendants and making two pendants out of one because I’m not smart enough to do two separate ones. I’m also not so good on a step ladder. I might be one of those ones that medics are advising to give DIY a miss. I’ll see you tomorrow. Hopefully. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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