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2 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

for their own political popularity ends.

This sums up Commissioners.

Just look at Tynwald now, the total disregard for taxpayers and ratepayers money.

An Independent body should be set up to monitor all spending from local aurthorities past and present, especially before general election of Tynwald members.

There should be a rule that if you want to stand as an MHK, you should have to resign two years before general elections.

 

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58 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

Because PFI has crippled a number of UK local authorities. If someone wants to build it, then fine. Let them shoulder the risk, not a two bit LA.

I did say a PFI of some sort. The way that mostly Labour used the PFI process over here could not have been more awful however there are other ways that the private sector can be involved such as a long lease with no ground rent and option to buy at market rate minus n% at the conclusion of the lease period in addition to a zero or very low council rate provided that the facilities required are delivered.

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1 minute ago, Rog said:

I did say a PFI of some sort. The way that mostly Labour used the PFI process over here could not have been more awful however there are other ways that the private sector can be involved such as a long lease with no ground rent and option to buy at market rate minus n% at the conclusion of the lease period in addition to a zero or very low council rate provided that the facilities required are delivered.

PFI is fine for new strategic essentials, like a new hospital, or perhaps a motorway or bridge then operated as a toll route. But not for sports halls, or shops, especially where there are alternatives already operating 

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11 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

PFI is fine for new strategic essentials, like a new hospital, or perhaps a motorway or bridge then operated as a toll route. But not for sports halls, or shops, especially where there are alternatives already operating 

PFI is not fit for purpose and is crippling the Trusts saddled with hospitals built using it.

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There are many forms of PFI.  The PFI used so widely by Labour is the Dorset but other forms of PFI are a very different matter.

The (mostly) NHS PFI in which the NHS rent hospitals that have been built by the private sector is commercially very attractive but an awful way to deliver a service BUT there are other ways that the private sector can provide the funding and deliver the services.

As a sorta example consider places like Lakeside shopping centre Essex (why not!). No public Money involved but a pretty good shopping facility - with trimmings.

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1 hour ago, Rog said:

There are many forms of PFI.  The PFI used so widely by Labour is the Dorset but other forms of PFI are a very different matter.

The (mostly) NHS PFI in which the NHS rent hospitals that have been built by the private sector is commercially very attractive but an awful way to deliver a service BUT there are other ways that the private sector can provide the funding and deliver the services.

As a sorta example consider places like Lakeside shopping centre Essex (why not!). No public Money involved but a pretty good shopping facility - with trimmings.

The easiest way of private funding would be for government to issue gilts, like happened when the Attlee government nationalised. Transport, Electricity, Funding, stocks, even Hospital. PFI just hides and defers borrowing or costs.

The same with water where, before privatisation, many were small companies with no shareholders but loan stock capital, or local authorities.

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"Can we use the public parks please"?      - Nope

"Can we go fishing please"?                          - Nope

"Can we use the beaches to sunbath please"?   - Nope

"Can we go to the cafe please"?                         - Nope

"Uh OK" :(

 

Right - we'd like to spaff £7,000,000 of your hard earned on a centre so that you can all socialise, exercise and it will have a cafe and .............. - FRO!! :D:D:D:whatever::whatever::whatever:

 

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1 hour ago, Two-lane said:

They've got their existing office up for sale at £485k I think. Get it flogged and they can afford to put a lane up the field from Strang crossroads. They can put Jessopp in the foundations.

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1 hour ago, Two-lane said:

I've read that Manx Radio piece several times and it makes no sense (and I don't think that's the reporter's fault).  It looks rather as if either the DHSC or Braddan Commissioners or both are behaving like complete dicks, but why is a mystery.  Except possibly that DHSC have no other way they know how to behave.

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"Original plans included access through the hospital grounds, however after building works started the DHSC requested alternative access to the centre."

If it is well used as the Commissioners hope, there would be a lot of extra traffic on those hospital roads. Why did not the DHSC complain when the plans were announced.

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