Holte End Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Non-Believer said: for their own political popularity ends. This sums up Commissioners. Just look at Tynwald now, the total disregard for taxpayers and ratepayers money. An Independent body should be set up to monitor all spending from local aurthorities past and present, especially before general election of Tynwald members. There should be a rule that if you want to stand as an MHK, you should have to resign two years before general elections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadAsHell Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Derek Flint said: And who will be funding the loan? a £7m debt has to be serviced. They aren’t going to cover that on the rent They'll just add £2k to everyone's rates bill. Simple 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Rog said: Admittedly non of my business but why not a PFI of some sort? Because PFI has crippled a number of UK local authorities. If someone wants to build it, then fine. Let them shoulder the risk, not a two bit LA. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Build it and they will come... ...and string you up for wasting money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 58 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: Because PFI has crippled a number of UK local authorities. If someone wants to build it, then fine. Let them shoulder the risk, not a two bit LA. I did say a PFI of some sort. The way that mostly Labour used the PFI process over here could not have been more awful however there are other ways that the private sector can be involved such as a long lease with no ground rent and option to buy at market rate minus n% at the conclusion of the lease period in addition to a zero or very low council rate provided that the facilities required are delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Rog said: I did say a PFI of some sort. The way that mostly Labour used the PFI process over here could not have been more awful however there are other ways that the private sector can be involved such as a long lease with no ground rent and option to buy at market rate minus n% at the conclusion of the lease period in addition to a zero or very low council rate provided that the facilities required are delivered. PFI is fine for new strategic essentials, like a new hospital, or perhaps a motorway or bridge then operated as a toll route. But not for sports halls, or shops, especially where there are alternatives already operating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: PFI is fine for new strategic essentials, like a new hospital, or perhaps a motorway or bridge then operated as a toll route. But not for sports halls, or shops, especially where there are alternatives already operating PFI is not fit for purpose and is crippling the Trusts saddled with hospitals built using it. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 There are many forms of PFI. The PFI used so widely by Labour is the Dorset but other forms of PFI are a very different matter. The (mostly) NHS PFI in which the NHS rent hospitals that have been built by the private sector is commercially very attractive but an awful way to deliver a service BUT there are other ways that the private sector can provide the funding and deliver the services. As a sorta example consider places like Lakeside shopping centre Essex (why not!). No public Money involved but a pretty good shopping facility - with trimmings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Rog said: There are many forms of PFI. The PFI used so widely by Labour is the Dorset but other forms of PFI are a very different matter. The (mostly) NHS PFI in which the NHS rent hospitals that have been built by the private sector is commercially very attractive but an awful way to deliver a service BUT there are other ways that the private sector can provide the funding and deliver the services. As a sorta example consider places like Lakeside shopping centre Essex (why not!). No public Money involved but a pretty good shopping facility - with trimmings. The easiest way of private funding would be for government to issue gilts, like happened when the Attlee government nationalised. Transport, Electricity, Funding, stocks, even Hospital. PFI just hides and defers borrowing or costs. The same with water where, before privatisation, many were small companies with no shareholders but loan stock capital, or local authorities. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Who needs government bonds when you can raid the active NI Fund? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manximus Aururaneus Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) "Can we use the public parks please"? - Nope "Can we go fishing please"? - Nope "Can we use the beaches to sunbath please"? - Nope "Can we go to the cafe please"? - Nope "Uh OK" Right - we'd like to spaff £7,000,000 of your hard earned on a centre so that you can all socialise, exercise and it will have a cafe and .............. - FRO!! Edited April 8, 2020 by Manximus Aururaneus 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/dhsc-says-braddan-commissioners-dont-have-permission-to-use-hospital-roads-for-leisure-centre/ The building is finished but cannot be used because there is no (usable) road. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, Two-lane said: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/dhsc-says-braddan-commissioners-dont-have-permission-to-use-hospital-roads-for-leisure-centre/ The building is finished but cannot be used because there is no (usable) road. They've got their existing office up for sale at £485k I think. Get it flogged and they can afford to put a lane up the field from Strang crossroads. They can put Jessopp in the foundations. Edited January 5 by Non-Believer Extra bit 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, Two-lane said: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/dhsc-says-braddan-commissioners-dont-have-permission-to-use-hospital-roads-for-leisure-centre/ The building is finished but cannot be used because there is no (usable) road. I've read that Manx Radio piece several times and it makes no sense (and I don't think that's the reporter's fault). It looks rather as if either the DHSC or Braddan Commissioners or both are behaving like complete dicks, but why is a mystery. Except possibly that DHSC have no other way they know how to behave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 "Original plans included access through the hospital grounds, however after building works started the DHSC requested alternative access to the centre." If it is well used as the Commissioners hope, there would be a lot of extra traffic on those hospital roads. Why did not the DHSC complain when the plans were announced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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