IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Andy Onchan]

6 minutes ago, pongo said:

Yes. But a tighter border closure, longer quarantines and more testing until this thing is over would probably prevent that. 

Contact tracing apps are basically about telling people that they've possibly already been infected. That's too late. 

Of course I don't work for the government. I'm 100% free market private sector. Not even feeding on a government contract or grants.

What's with this idiotic assumption that everyone who isn't constantly critical of govt must work for them? That's moronic. 

This 'thing', as you describe it, is not going to be over. It's going to be part of our existence until it runs out of hosts and the only way that will happen is with vaccines. Until we get to that stage we still have to function and use every tool at our disposal to get on with life and that includes science and technology probably in equal measure. Closing the border is only a short term solution not the solution.

[pongo]

4 minutes ago, Gladys said:

If that's the case why bother with contact tracing at all?

Specific targeted manual contact tracing likely makes sense - with a closed border and during a lockdown. But the lockdown is the main thing which will work.

Many of those postulating the case for geo data driven contact tracing apps have a wider agenda and see them as an alternative to closed borders and lockdowns.

[jaymann]

Just now, pongo said:

Specific targeted manual contact tracing likely makes sense - with a closed border and during a lockdown. But the lockdown is the main thing which will work.

Many of those postulating the case for geo data driven contact tracing apps have a wider agenda and see them as an alternative to closed borders and lockdowns.

You're absolutely wrong.

If we exist with our controlled borders we need to do all we can to maintain our local economy and avoid future local lockdowns. We should take all necessary measures to do that.

[pongo]

1 minute ago, jaymann said:

You're absolutely wrong.

If we exist with our controlled borders we need to do all we can to maintain our local economy and avoid future local lockdowns. We should take all necessary measures to do that.

If we adequately control the border until everyone is vaccinated then we won't need another lockdown.

[Barlow]

23 minutes ago, pongo said:

Yes. But a tighter border closure, longer quarantines and more testing until this thing is over would probably prevent that. 

Contact tracing apps are basically about telling people that they've possibly already been infected. That's too late. 

 

17 minutes ago, Gladys said:

If that's the case why bother with contact tracing at all?

I suppose as soon as a case is flagged, then the app would kick in, and there would need to be a flash lockdown, maybe even a localised one.

So eventually everyone must have an iPhone, to socialise, go shopping etc. (ie no need for signing registers and all that)

Short sharp lockdowns could be the way to go. We'll all be immediately 'in-touch' anyway. Like the Mon-Wed-Fri briefings now, but 5 minutes notice, as and when.

Sounds a bit dystopian, but not too far removed from how we're living just now.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 15, 2021 by Barlow

[Gladys]

2 minutes ago, pongo said:

Specific targeted manual contact tracing likely makes sense - with a closed border and during a lockdown. But the lockdown is the main thing which will work.

Many of those postulating the case for geo data driven contact tracing apps have a wider agenda and see them as an alternative to closed borders and lockdowns.

My only agenda is to get the upper hand of this virus.  From day 1, I was concerned at a sledgehammer approach with the health, wellbeing and financial fallout, hoping that there was a more sophisticated answer.  But there seemed to be no alternative at that time. 

We have greater knowledge and understanding now to be a bit more sophisticated in the future.  Imagine if we could track the move if the virus by its changing genomics within 24 hours of the test  and had a means of quickly alerting potential infected down the chain? Who knows, we may get to a position where we are tracking in real time rather than a couple of weeks after the event. 

[manxst]

1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Serious, Dr Glover why don’t you swallow your own pride and do all that? 
That would show you were the bigger person and help us all out

 

 

 

 

 

I think she has to be given the samples first? You know, by the government she’s reached out to....and who aren’t interested in getting back to her/employing her (even for free, undoubtedly) because of their stubborn pride and inability to see other people have greater skill and expertise. 

[manxst]

1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said:

I didn’t say that, just that if all interested parties worked together we may get a better outcome.

And Dr Glover is clearly trying to work with the government for the welfare of the Island. Sadly, it seems THEY are unwilling to work together with HER. 

[TheTeapot]

I'm certainly not keen on a covid surveillance app on my phone, I hate the idea, but if it helps, its got to be better than this shit.

[pongo]

5 minutes ago, Gladys said:

My only agenda is to get the upper hand of this virus.  From day 1, I was concerned at a sledgehammer approach with the health, wellbeing and financial fallout, hoping that there was a more sophisticated answer.  But there seemed to be no alternative at that time. 

We have greater knowledge and understanding now to be a bit more sophisticated in the future.  Imagine if we could track the move if the virus by its changing genomics within 24 hours of the test  and had a means of quickly alerting potential infected down the chain? Who knows, we may get to a position where we are tracking in real time rather than a couple of weeks after the event. 

Let's just get every vaccinated and move on.

[the stinking enigma]

I'm not sure there is a desire within government to chase these cases. More a desire toforget they ever happened. They spent the last 2 weeks going out of their way to stress there was no evidence linking any of these cases to the boxing day 1886 one. And thats the way they'd like it to stay. 

[the stinking enigma]

Maybe rachel realises this and is just on the wind up. If so, good for her i say.

[horatiotheturd]

26 minutes ago, pongo said:

 

Contact tracing apps are basically about telling people that they've possibly already been infected. That's too late. 

So it is better to just read locations out on the radio a few days later.

Truth bar.  It wouldn't have been better to ping everyone who was there an alert and tell them they had to stay home than rely on them to phone 111?

M&S this week. Better to announce the whole store is low risk for a half hour period than to just ping a notification to the 20 or 30 people who were actually close to the person?

Really?

[the stinking enigma]

The luck we had to land in the position we did. The geographics, a population in general prepared to do what was asked from them, a genetic specialist, even a machine was found under dust sheets. Yet somehow they still managed to fuck it up, unreal.

[horatiotheturd]

17 minutes ago, pongo said:

Specific targeted manual contact tracing likely makes sense - with a closed border and during a lockdown. But the lockdown is the main thing which will work.

Many of those postulating the case for geo data driven contact tracing apps have a wider agenda and see them as an alternative to closed borders and lockdowns.

They don't

 Its a compliment to a proper border policy.