Andy Onchan Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said: The problem is in what is going to be maintaining what appears to be the aim of making IoM a completely Covid-free zone ("obliterating" it was HQ's term yesterday?). That is probably achievable given the geography but if it's attained it's going to take a superhuman effort and far more stringent borders policing than we have seen to date (IMHO) in order to keep it out, particularly given the state of affairs in UK presently. But those stringencies are going to create a perennial problem for travel, business or otherwise, given the proven unreliability of self-isolation to date, if we are going to maintain this Covid-free environment. But to enable us maintain the level of strict border policing that would allow travel on/off Island we're going to require a top-notch testing lab for that..... but apparently there isn't one with the right qualifications on-Island to do that.... so we're fecked! Sorry, but COMIN and their advisers have screwed themselves and us in the process by not understanding the bigger, longer term picture. Or at least that's what they are portraying right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: But to enable us maintain the level of strict border policing that would allow travel on/off Island we're going to require a top-notch testing lab for that..... but apparently there isn't one with the right qualifications on-Island to do that.... so we're fecked! Sorry, but COMIN and their advisers have screwed themselves and us in the process by not understanding the bigger, longer term picture. Or at least that's what they are portraying right now. I don't think there's any contingency planning that goes on once things are comfortable. When the 1886 midnight release happened, 111 should've had a set of protocols and procedures in place, with scripts to go on until they were advised further. Instead, it was potluck and who was awake on a hungover morning that determined who was tested. They then called that surveillance testing. Why worry about what can be tomorrow me's probem? 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Rushen Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 If the U.K. has almost 40,000 in hospital with lock down, proportionally that be over 500 for IOM. That would be scary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 32 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: They probably haven't because they're immune from it. Their pay statements continue to drop on to the doormat regardless of whether they're still coming into work, redeployed or sitting at home. There's also a lack of understanding as to the difference in circumstances between weekly and monthly paid people. You saw this in Cannan's initial announcement, they seemed unable to comprehend that there are people who don't have the savings to tide them over. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Roxanne said: They did at Howard's house. And in Onchan as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Major Rushen said: If the U.K. has almost 40,000 in hospital with lock down, proportionally that be over 500 for IOM. That would be scary. And that is why the government were correct to lock us down. 1886 was not the problem. Truth was. Potentially hundreds infected. We were lucky. Outdoor trades should have continued, though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Major Rushen said: If the U.K. has almost 40,000 in hospital with lock down, proportionally that be over 500 for IOM. That would be scary. 50 actually (well 53) but with an ICU with only 6 permanent beds and an NHS which seems to be struggling when they only have one patient with Covid, it's still a terrifying prospect. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Cambon said: 1886 was not the problem. Truth was. Truth is always the problem. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 43 minutes ago, jaymann said: One has to wonder why these trades couldn't have continued from the start of lockdown under these same restrictions. The depressing thing is that the same arguments were had last time. I suspect they weren't brave enough to allow sole traders to work in safe condition but stand up to Dandara to stop them working in communal conditions. So it was easier to shut the whole trade down (except for the right people). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Rushen Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: 50 actually (well 53) but with an ICU with only 6 permanent beds and an NHS which seems to be struggling when they only have one patient with Covid, it's still a terrifying prospect. Apologies — poor arithmetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 16 minutes ago, Cambon said: And that is why the government were correct to lock us down. 1886 was not the problem. Truth was. Potentially hundreds infected. We were lucky. Outdoor trades should have continued, though No, but 1886 very much suggested we weren't ready for something we should've been prepared for months ago. We did get lucky, and, I'm glad for the island's sake that we did. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, Roxanne said: And this is why we need to complete an overhaul of the system and this is why my belief is that the only way to achieve that is for every single person to refuse to vote. I gave up on local politics after the Richard Corkill debacle (is that name still filtered?) Dropped off the electoral register, didn't bother with local radio or newspapers. Its only since this last pandemic that I've paid some attention again. Don't give them the political legitimacy and hopefully something will change. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 28 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: There's also a lack of understanding as to the difference in circumstances between weekly and monthly paid people. You saw this in Cannan's initial announcement, they seemed unable to comprehend that there are people who don't have the savings to tide them over. They seem to be unaware of the difference between the perks of a salary as opposed to a weekly income either. ie most weekly paid, no show, no pay. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah 01 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said: The problem is in what is going to be maintaining what appears to be the aim of making IoM a completely Covid-free zone ("obliterating" it was HQ's term yesterday?). This is insanity. If there is seriously being considered, whoever is thinking it are not fit for public office and should be removed PDQ. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Utah 01 said: This is insanity. If there is seriously being considered, whoever is thinking it are not fit for public office and should be removed PDQ. If they were thinking that, why bother with the vaccine? I think, once the over 50s etc are vaccinated, a lot of people will be allowed to come over. Not the masses, but relatives and friends, business travel etc. Possibly with minimal isolation. If that goes ok, they will open to tourists when all the over 18s have been jabbed. Booster shots for the over 60s next and every spring, including new variants. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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