Utah 01 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 2 hours ago, AlanShimmin said: Be grateful you don't live in Australia or New Zealand 1. Australia - 2500 miles west -east. 2. New Zealand - 1000 miles north - south 3. Isle of Man - 32 (thirty-two) miles north -south. 4. Prison cell - not too much smaller than 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monasqueen Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Nom de plume said: We are still none the wiser on the IOM Govt. plan to open us up. If you go back through the CM's statements, you will find more detail about the state that the UK needs to be in before our border gets opened up a bit. On 3 September, he said "As set out in our borders framework, for a move from Level 4 to Level 3, we would need to see a reduction to a rate of one in every five-thousand people. The UK still has a considerable way to go to reach this." Currently, the UK rate is 260.6 per 100,000 population. That's 13 per 5,000 people. (It's a higher figure in the North West.) Don't look for any changes in the border level for a good while yet. Impatience will not speed things up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, monasqueen said: If you go back through the CM's statements, you will find more detail about the state that the UK needs to be in before our border gets opened up a bit. On 3 September, he said "As set out in our borders framework, for a move from Level 4 to Level 3, we would need to see a reduction to a rate of one in every five-thousand people. The UK still has a considerable way to go to reach this." Currently, the UK rate is 260.6 per 100,000 population. That's 13 per 5,000 people. (It's a higher figure in the North West.) Don't look for any changes in the border level for a good while yet. Impatience will not speed things up. There is a huge difference between the levels of infections & those who potentially might require hospitalisation. The border policy was introduced to protect Nobles. Please don’t be confused. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 LOL, confused. We're not confused at all. The UK is actually tightening its border controls and forcing people into hotels to quarantine at their own expense. They're ignoring manufacturers recommendations on vaccine dosing intervals and now they're even talking of "vaccine shandies". This is desperation and we are quite correct to shut it out. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Just now, piebaps said: LOL, confused. We're not confused at all. The UK is actually tightening its border controls and forcing people into hotels to quarantine at their own expense. They're ignoring manufacturers recommendations on vaccine dosing intervals and now they're even talking of "vaccine shandies". This is desperation and we are quite correct to shut it out. I’m not talking about now. Please don’t be confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 https://www.steam-packet.com/ Be under it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 45 minutes ago, monasqueen said: If you go back through the CM's statements, you will find more detail about the state that the UK needs to be in before our border gets opened up a bit. On 3 September, he said "As set out in our borders framework, for a move from Level 4 to Level 3, we would need to see a reduction to a rate of one in every five-thousand people. The UK still has a considerable way to go to reach this." Currently, the UK rate is 260.6 per 100,000 population. That's 13 per 5,000 people. (It's a higher figure in the North West.) Don't look for any changes in the border level for a good while yet. Impatience will not speed things up. 39 minutes ago, Nom de plume said: There is a huge difference between the levels of infections & those who potentially might require hospitalisation. The border policy was introduced to protect Nobles. Please don’t be confused. The figure of 1 per 5000 was set when practically everyone was vulnerable to infection, and overall the rate of hospitalisation was about 5% and rate of death about 1%. Now, and more so in the near future, vaccination will considerably lower those figures - if for example our susceptible population is only the under 50s, with everyone else protected, then hospitalisation rates will be much lower 5%. So it's not unreasonable that as vaccination levels increase, the goalposts can move and we could accept a higher figure than 1 per 5000 before moving to level 3. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, wrighty said: The figure of 1 per 5000 was set when practically everyone was vulnerable to infection, and overall the rate of hospitalisation was about 5% and rate of death about 1%. Now, and more so in the near future, vaccination will considerably lower those figures - if for example our susceptible population is only the under 50s, with everyone else protected, then hospitalisation rates will be much lower 5%. So it's not unreasonable that as vaccination levels increase, the goalposts can move and we could accept a higher figure than 1 per 5000 before moving to level 3. And he’s said they’ll revisit in May, or not before May, which is when it’s anticipated, approximately, all over 50’s will have been vaccinated. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I reckon that if the UK is not fully open by April 19th (when the schools go back after Easter) then I think Boris will have some major civil disorder issues to deal with. That will add to the pressure for IOMG to open up as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanShimmin Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 3 hours ago, Nom de plume said: We are still none the wiser on the IOM Govt. plan to open us up. Is it everyone vaxed before we drop isolation on return, over 50’s, over 60’s? There can be no plan. It's difficult to plan beyond the next 4 weeks. Things will eventually re-open. But they will do so in their own time. If only there was a Manx saying that would apply... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 30 minutes ago, AlanShimmin said: If only there was a Manx saying that would apply... ...what, have the boats in the morning started again. Great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Hooper wants change for short term compassionate travel https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/call-for-compassionate-travellers-to-be-pre-tested/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 6 hours ago, AlanShimmin said: We've also seen this week that the one shot approach may not actually protect the elderly from infection https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/single-dose-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-may-not-protect-elderly-from-covid-19-infection-qgphrzfb6 Interesting that the new cases in Guernsey include 2 staff members and 2 residents of a care home who received their first jab 3 weeks ago. They also have someone who was positive last year so that doesn't give immunity either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 18 minutes ago, Southernman said: Interesting that the new cases in Guernsey include 2 staff members and 2 residents of a care home who received their first jab 3 weeks ago. They also have someone who was positive last year so that doesn't give immunity either. Yes but also no one from care home needed hospital treatment so shows it does give protection from serious illness. As has been published plenty of times the vaccine does not prevent infections just serious illness 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Banker said: Yes but also no one from care home needed hospital treatment so shows it does give protection from serious illness. As has been published plenty of times the vaccine does not prevent infections just serious illness True although ironically the care home has been shut down and all residents have been moved to the hospital for on-going care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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