P.K. Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 59 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: Whenever someone mentions the delta variant I always find that’s a good time to stop any conversation because it’s usually the trump card people play when they haven’t scared anyone enough by talking about standard covid. Are you sure that it's not because the Delta variant can infect those who have been vaccinated? Putting back herd immunity and the "new normal" with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 1 hour ago, wrighty said: I hope so. The current situation is a bit odd. I popped over on the boat this weekend. Over there, life seems pretty much normal. Over here, life is pretty much normal. But on the boat it's masks, queue up once you're off (this side) to have your vaccine exemption scanned and show your ID. I don't see much point in all this given that our rates of covid and the uk rates of covid are comparable. On the boat it's mixing indoors with folks in close proximity. We were on the first "2+2" sailing. The boat was rammed. Very few masks and no social distancing. We didn't enjoy the experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, P.K. said: Are you sure that it's not because the Delta variant can infect those who have been vaccinated? Putting back herd immunity and the "new normal" with it. There is no herd immunity with coronaviruses. What there is is a degree of population immunity meaning people aren't going to get too sick and you can just get on with it. You are going to contract the virus, that is your 'new normal'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 1 hour ago, wrighty said: I hope so. The current situation is a bit odd. I popped over on the boat this weekend. Over there, life seems pretty much normal. Over here, life is pretty much normal. But on the boat it's masks, queue up once you're off (this side) to have your vaccine exemption scanned and show your ID. I don't see much point in all this given that our rates of covid and the uk rates of covid are comparable. As has been shown in no uncertain terms, The Steam Packet is Isle of Man's archilles heel, although paradoxically it is our strongest defence too. Having screwed up once big time, I don't blame the powers that be in doing what they are doing, and they at least theoretically keep some control of the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, P.K. said: Are you sure that it's not because the Delta variant can infect those who have been vaccinated? Putting back herd immunity and the "new normal" with it. Would you rather we were back to Jan/Feb/Mar last year? Vaccinations are working. End of. They may need some tweaking in the coming months but they are keeping people out of hospital and from serious illness. The same can't be said for influenza/pneumonia. Over 1K people/week have been dying of that for quite some time. But no one seems interested in that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 15 minutes ago, P.K. said: On the boat it's mixing indoors with folks in close proximity. We were on the first "2+2" sailing. The boat was rammed. Very few masks and no social distancing. We didn't enjoy the experience. Just stay indoors if you’re concerned for health & never go on boat again. All restrictions will be ending shortly, & the whining minority can stock up bunkers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, Banker said: Just stay indoors if you’re concerned for health & never go on boat again. All restrictions will be ending shortly, & the whining minority can stock up bunkers. The Steam Packet should be managing it a lot better than they did on that trip. I want to be able to figure out the risks. But I can't. Hence: 3 hours ago, P.K. said: What I would like to see is the age and vaccination status of those being infected/hospitalised. It's just a bit difficult to make balanced decisions on personal risk without knowing all the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 What exactly would you do with that information? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: What exactly would you do with that information? Use it as the basis for a bit of a gossip / mad rant. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: What exactly would you do with that information? Relate it to our own circumstances. They already report the age demographic but I would like to see the vaccination status on falling ill, how badly they were infected and any underlying conditions. It there's a match we obviously need to be more careful. Be stupid not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, P.K. said: Relate it to our own circumstances. They already report the age demographic but I would like to see the vaccination status on falling ill, how badly they were infected and any underlying conditions. It there's a match we obviously need to be more careful. Be stupid not to. I fail to see what difference it makes. The facts are pretty clear, and the same patterns are repeated pretty much everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 17 minutes ago, P.K. said: Relate it to our own circumstances. They already report the age demographic but I would like to see the vaccination status on falling ill, how badly they were infected and any underlying conditions. It there's a match we obviously need to be more careful. Be stupid not to. Just be careful anyway, you'd be stupid not to. Being in possession of such information won't make you or anyone else safer. It won't alter behaviour. It'll probably be wrong anyway, just like Ashford's dashboard, only adding to the confusion. Little point in introducing a whole raft of shtatishtics just to satisfy curiosity, because that's all it would amount to. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: I fail to see what difference it makes. The facts are pretty clear, and the same patterns are repeated pretty much everywhere. The more info you have the more likely you are to make the right decision. Basic stuff. The facts aren't that clear. I can understand avoiding identifying folks by their medical condition but general info such as I have mentioned can't do any harm. For example if all those in hospital haven't had any vaccines it's worth knowing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Just now, P.K. said: The more info you have the more likely you are to make the right decision. Basic stuff. The facts aren't that clear. I can understand avoiding identifying folks by their medical condition but general info such as I have mentioned can't do any harm. For example if all those in hospital haven't had any vaccines it's worth knowing. For what? What for? You have a plan to go see someone in Leicester say, you going to pour over hospitalisations and deaths before you go? 'Oh they've had 100 deaths over the last month, and 23 of them were fully vaccinated but over 70, better not go'? Crazy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: For what? What for? You have a plan to go see someone in Leicester say, you going to pour over hospitalisations and deaths before you go? 'Oh they've had 100 deaths over the last month, and 23 of them were fully vaccinated but over 70, better not go'? Crazy. Actually it's for folks coming over here. All I'm asking for is simple details that are available but not published. Why shouldn't they be? It's called transparency of which there is far too little of over here. Nothing anyone else needs to get into a lather about mind... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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