Gladys Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Just now, Happier diner said: Sorry not seeing it. They treated them all as clusters and traces them down as a whole group. I'm not seeing any advantage in specialist genomics in either of the last 2 outbreaks. OK, but the clinicians seem to think it is a good idea and, from a pragmatic viewpoint, if it avoids another £8-10 million lockdown, then its very cheap. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, manxst said: Great. Whilst all our hard working chippies and sparkies are earning their wonga, the imported labour are all round the Island, spreading the germs, stealing our women, and buying our toilet rolls... You have lost me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 hour ago, manxst said: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/12/201209094321.htm “genomic testing is crucial for tracking virus transmission in cases where the source remains unclear from investigating known epidemiological contacts alone“ Yes, if you live in London or New York maybe. Not Ramsay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxst Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Happier diner said: What. In just 11 or so cases, that were all effective traced. Bit of overkill don't you think? I’d rather have overkill and not need it any day if the week, than have nothing and be reliant on it. Dr Glover is offering it for free. What’s your problem? Wrighty, a respected Doctor (at least on here!), has already stated why it is a good idea to have it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 54 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said: I get what you are saying but actually agree with Lost Login and Henrieta that although its nice to know it doesn't actually make any difference to our defence. Test, isolation, and if someone slips through the new testing regime (i doubt it) then track and trace. Hopefully the steps they have taken with a lockdown (although not as full on as I would have liked) will mean that in a couple of weeks we are back to only worrying about cases at the border which the testing they implemented just after the horse had bolted should now pick up. If that is the case then any genome testing will be irrelevant as will have been contracted off island? Would have been nice to have it over the last few weeks but we didn't, and given the other steps taken at this stage I can't see any harm done as a consequence Spot on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxst Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Happier diner said: Yes, if you live in London or New York maybe. Not Ramsay As already pointed out, we have had cases where the origin is unknown. Knowledge is power. Depriving ourselves of it out of stubbornness, pride or lack of intellect is pathetic. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxst Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Happier diner said: You have lost me! On the whole topic, I think.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, manxst said: As already pointed out, we have had cases where the origin is unknown. Knowledge is power. Depriving ourselves of it out of stubbornness, pride or lack of intellect is pathetic. How could it have been any quicker. I would agree with you if there was a wide outbreak with lots of infection routes....but there isn't just now. That's all I am saying. I am not denying the science or if we could have used this kind of thing in the past, and maybe in the future. I am just saying we don't need it now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, manxst said: On the whole topic, I think.... Just because I don't agree with you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxst Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Just now, Happier diner said: How could it have been any quicker. I would agree with you if there was a wide outbreak with lots of infection routes....but there isn't just now. That's all I am saying. I am not denying the science or if we could have used this kind of thing in the past, and maybe in the future. I am just saying we don't need it now. Why don’t we need it now? We are still getting positive results daily. Although in a ‘lockdown’, people are still out and about, associating, mixing, potentially spreading the virus. It just seems short sighted and complacent to rely on the procedures we have in place, when we could add to them by utilising this form of testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, manxst said: I’d rather have overkill and not need it any day if the week, than have nothing and be reliant on it. Dr Glover is offering it for free. What’s your problem? Wrighty, a respected Doctor (at least on here!), has already stated why it is a good idea to have it. Do you think it's free forever. You may be right but I'd be surprised. Not many commercial organisations last long on that business model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxst Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Just because I don't agree with you? No, because you’re failing to see the clear logic behind the argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 "I have an opinion" "Here's a load of people and a bunch of articles explaining why your opinion is wrong" "nope, don't see it". Sigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxst Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Just now, Happier diner said: Do you think it's free forever. You may be right but I'd be surprised. Not many commercial organisations last long on that business model. Of course not. But having it now would perhaps give us an idea of whether we should pay for it in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, manxst said: Why don’t we need it now? We are still getting positive results daily. Although in a ‘lockdown’, people are still out and about, associating, mixing, potentially spreading the virus. It just seems short sighted and complacent to rely on the procedures we have in place, when we could add to them by utilising this form of testing. I make it the 5th day without an untracked positive that is in the community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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