piebaps Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 1 minute ago, 2112 said: According to the Nations Propoganda Mouthpiece today, the Islands law enforcement agency has put its investigation into the alleged breach of coronavirus regulations, allegedly committed by the visiting group of ‘essential workers’ business types from Jersey. Im sure the next stage will be to quietly forget about it, as to save upsetting anyone. A lot of sacrifices being made by islanders, eg, unable to go off island without having to self isolate for 14 days upon return. That's not news. Its in the Tynwald Hansard from 26th June. https://www.tynwald.org.im/business/hansard/20002020/t200626 RHA.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 26 minutes ago, Mr Newbie said: Those pre packaged and presented scenarios are the biggest load of bullshit I’ve ever read. Reads like typical Cabinet Office nothingness and failure to acknowledge reality and come up with meaningless benchmarks which make government look good. My best result would be 0 deaths and a 20% increase in household income and the borders remain open. There doesn’t seem to be a box for that fantasy scenario though as not meeting that fantasy benchmark would make them look bad. I can't understand why they've even bothered. We had 25 deaths. That's not an optional scenario, it's a fact. All the other scenarios presented are therefore null and void. As you say, the best scenario would have been zero deaths but that doesn't appear. Because that would have involved swifter and more stringent action in imposing lockdown and closing borders. None of which are shown as options either, nor could they be, after the event. We simply have to tolerate the other conditions we have had to suffer such as loss of income, quarantine and borders shut as the price to be paid for keeping that 25 as it is. It is what had to be done. These scenarios as presented are pointless. Why do we pay people to produce this guff? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Newbie Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, 2112 said: According to the Nations Propoganda Mouthpiece today, the Islands law enforcement agency has put its investigation into the alleged breach of coronavirus regulations, allegedly committed by the visiting group of ‘essential workers’ business types from Jersey, on hold. The police and the authorities could probably do something but have decided to do nothing. Here’s the report of the investigation being put “on hold”. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/police-investigation-into-jersey-key-workers-on-hold/ Adding very strong credence to the rumour circulating for weeks that a certain government official was seen out dining with them. They clearly don’t have Zoom to conduct the initial interviews with and so it will be on hold indefinitely. It doesn’t bode well for our contract tracing efforts does it if we can’t even get hold of people in Jersey to ask them who they met when in the IOM and follow the chain. Meanwhile ordinary folk ended up in prison and with criminal records for life for lesser breaches. Edited July 9, 2020 by Mr Newbie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: I can't understand why they've even bothered. We had 25 deaths. That's not an optional scenario, it's a fact. All the other scenarios presented are therefore null and void. As you say, the best scenario would have been zero deaths but that doesn't appear. Because that would have involved swifter and more stringent action in imposing lockdown and closing borders. None of which are shown as options either, nor could they be, after the event. We simply have to tolerate the other conditions we have had to suffer such as loss of income, quarantine and borders shut as the price to be paid for keeping that 25 as it is. It is what had to be done. These scenarios as presented are pointless. Why do we pay people to produce this guff? The way I've read that survey is that the desired answer has been programmed in and the scenarios generated from that, so that people might think they're picking the 'least worst' but its predetermined to come up with the result the programmer wants. Peake is behind it, so no wonder its about life v cost, and it will be no surprise when the results say protect the economy over human life. Edit - the actual answers people give will never be read by a human. Edited July 9, 2020 by TheTeapot 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2020/07/09/call-for-arrivals-to-self-isolate-until-test-results-come-back/ Jersey at odds. This particular article is worth a read, especially concerning the two asymptomatic travellers who subsequently tested positive after returning to the Island and were responsible enough to turn themselves in. As opposed to what they might have happened had they not- like going out for a meal for instance... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 1 hour ago, piebaps said: That's not news. Its in the Tynwald Hansard from 26th June. https://www.tynwald.org.im/business/hansard/20002020/t200626 RHA.pdf That's interesting and enlightening, especially if you find the sight of Quayle twisting in the wind amusing, but the latest info appears to be an update - or at least an additional set of implausible excuses from the police for their inaction. It's quite clear from that Tynwald exchange though that the Government seem quite happy to have all sort of people swan in without any precautions being taken - providing they're the right sort of people. Quayle makes no sense - saying that they had a detailed itinerary for these people and then that he didn't know when they left the Island; simply ignoring Edge's question (asked twice[1]) if there had been any involvement of DHSC officials; claiming he knew nothing about it when Moorhouse told him that the police had said it was someone else's responsibility to investigate. Just as worrying the 'ignore it by not testing and it will go away' attitude seems to be continuing. Shimmins said: Quote This case is especially concerning as we are not testing the key workers who arrive on the Island. I am aware of another concerning situation where an employer brought a large number of key workers to the Island to assist with construction work on the Promenade. The employer asked for these people to be tested but had great difficulty in achieving this. Which suggests that there may be a lot more people around not self-isolating. [1] The Presiding Officers (Rodan and Watterson) really need to get a grip of this. Ministers and especially Quayle are being allowed to get away with completely ignoring questions nowadays. It's not even as if they are twisting what was asked or giving an evasive answer, they're simply blustering on as if nothing had been asked at all. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 3 hours ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: They really need to get a grip on this 2 weeks of isolation for returnees. It's excessive and largely pointless. Test on arrival. Isolate 6 days. Re test. If clear then no more isolation. Any period of isolation is more than an issue for just the returnee, it also affects those who they live with (assuming they are co-habiting), shirley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinnieK Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said: Why do we pay people to produce this guff? I'm not sure that we do. Isn't that the survey people from Quing wrote? Quote A survey is trying to find out how people have been affected by the Covid-19 crisis, and what the future might look like. It's been drawn up by a committee member of the Quing charity, and has been circulated to all Tynwald members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 3 hours ago, winnie said: Absolutely spot on. Charge returnees £100 for the testing and get the borders open asap. Well over 1,000 have been let in to date with no testing and no cases. If there is the odd case, then track and trace. Correction. Well over 1000 have returned with most tested and several cases detected. The snowflake attitude of open the borders and invite the virus back will cause a second wave which will fuck the islands economy beyond repair. Why? So you can have two weeks all inclusive in Benidorm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Newbie Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Cambon said: The snowflake attitude of open the borders and invite the virus back will cause a second wave which will fuck the islands economy beyond repair. Why? So you can have two weeks all inclusive in Benidorm? Absolute bullshit. What’s a snowflake attitude either? You mean people who want to live and experience life not a load of sad old pensioners who would prefer to sit here and rot for another few years? I can’t see anyone wanting holidays either. It’s about jobs and the economy (and common sense that you can’t pull the drawbridge up forever as a vaccine will not materialize). Edited July 9, 2020 by Mr Newbie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) The economy is open. People are going out and spending money. Things are ticking over nicely. Other small communities allowing visitors in without quarantine is simply inviting the virus back. It is happening. Edited July 9, 2020 by Cambon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Monday the 20th then, level 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellanvannin2010 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Monday the 20th then, level 4. Well the teachers will be delighted, summer holiday, 2 weeks self isolation paid for, whats not to like. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 25 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Monday the 20th then, level 4. Yes. The correct move. Ten days away to allow people to make plans, and more importantly to monitor cases across and world wide. I don't believe the uk figures. After opening all pubs, clubs etc, they claim new cases are falling, where every other country who had done the same while still having cases in the community have seen a rise in cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellanvannin2010 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 I assume Guernsey will have preapproved this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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