Cambon Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Non-Believer said: It will be "our" loss too. One way or another, we'll be paying for it. As ever. Or will we? Did anyone ever consider that since the uk are paying for our vaccines, we may have to use their testing facilities and follow their protocols? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 38 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Its akin to the old carlsberg's ads. Best lager in the world! On what scale was best. That rumbled for years. Eventually they changed it to probably..... and that seemed to shake all the lawyers off as the level of subjectivity went up a notch. The level of proof is balance of probabilities, 50% and a little bit over. If there was a case, and there weren’t a privilege defence, and the defendant pleaded that his words were true, then the defendant would have to prove that, not the claimant, assuming the claimant could show the words referred to her and were defamatory in their ordinary meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Cambon said: Or will we? Did anyone ever consider that since the uk are paying for our vaccines, we may have to use their testing facilities and follow their protocols? Are they? Or are we paying them back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: Are they? Or are we paying them back? Don't worry we'll pay for it all, one way or another. Edited January 19, 2021 by Andy Onchan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 35 minutes ago, Gladys said: I'm not disputing that, just comparing it to the approach here. The other difference in Gib is they probably have a very porous border with Spain. 15,000 people cross from Spain into Gibraltar to work every day. It’s not possible to close it without causing severe damage to the economies of both La Linea and Gibraltar. When the border was closed or difficult, before the EU, Gibraltar shipped in 1000’s of workers on ferries from Morocco to work in the naval dockyards. Now it’s nurses, carers, child minders, cleaners and workers in gaming and other financial sector industries. And it’s not just Spanish. Lots of Brits who work in Gib live in Spain. Just to compare, about 33,000 people cross the land border in Ireland to work on the other side on a daily basis. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, John Wright said: 15,000 people cross from Spain into Gibraltar to work every day. It’s not possible to close it without causing severe damage to the economies of both La Linea and Gibraltar. Just to compare, about 33,000 people cross the land border in Ireland to work on a daily basis. In that case they have done exceptionally well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Todays statement is shame following on from Mondays briefing where the Govt seemed to be trying to be more open with their information and answering the questions that are in the communities mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymann Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 The irony of the Chief Minister today still has me baffled: Quote Using a lab across gives us access to the highest quality and support from world class experts. Not be possible to replicate this quality from a local standalone service. Yet when one of my businesses applied for a DfE Business Improvement Scheme grant, we were categorically told that we couldn't use experts from off-Island in what we needed to do and must use a local provider that had no experience with our system. I don't think he quite realises the double standards he's applying and how negative this will impact on the business comunity, including our ability to attract new talent to the Island. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, John Wright said: The level of proof is balance of probabilities, 50% and a little bit over. If there was a case, and there weren’t a privilege defence, and the defendant pleaded that his words were true, then the defendant would have to prove that, not the claimant, assuming the claimant could show the words referred to her and were defamatory in their ordinary meaning. Now you have made it too complicated. Sticking to things I know about. It would be difficult to prove if one lab was better, or not worse, than another, as there are no clear measures defined....ie no labometer Edited January 19, 2021 by Happier diner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Banker said: Tynwald abandoned due to technical issues 😂 https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/virtual-tynwald-disrupted-by-technical-issues/ So not all bad news then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 57 minutes ago, 2112 said: Manx Telecom internet issues? or IOMG IT bods screw up? What a performance! New Year Pantomime I feel a "Men From The Ministry" episode coming on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 We have a highly remunerated IT section within Cabinet Office, do we not? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha-acid Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Now you have made it too complicated. Sticking to things I know about. It would be difficult to prove if one lab was better, or not worse, than another, as there are no clear measures defined....ie no labometer You might be surprised. Brewing Labs do have such a "Labometer". It is a scheme called BAPS run by the UK Govt Chemist and they also run all sorts of others for different type Labs. Whether such a thing exists for Genomic Labs I have no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 58 minutes ago, snowman said: Can someone link to this please? I can't find it online Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 40 minutes ago, madmanxpilot said: I think that is the first time I've ever seen any official statistics showing a distinction between death from covid or death with covid. Actually you get them from ONS sometimes from the death certificate data[1]. There aren't that many where it's 'with' rather than 'from' (ie it's not given as the main cause), but obviously the higher the rate of infection in the population, the more likely someone who dies from other causes is likely to have it. [1] Which will be a bit different because it's possible for someone to have tested positive but the doctors treating them think it hasn't had an effect on their death. I assume the Gibraltar figures are anyone who tests positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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