The Voice of Reason Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, jaymann said: Theyre inappropriate. I've invested £0.5m in creating a business that supports start up and upscale businesses on the Island. Yes, that involves office space, but a far bigger picture. I don't see why I should continue to support the Government in attracting businesses and creating jobs in my own businesses when they engage in such attempts to discredit the BioMed sector. I would suggest that you did not go into business altruistically to support the Government but to make money as any business does, so good luck with your enterprise. It is in both your interests to attract for businesses to be attracted and jobs created. It would appear that it is one part of the BioMed sector that is engaged in attempts to discredit the Government rather than the other way way round. Edited January 21, 2021 by The Voice of Reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Just now, The Voice of Reason said: I would suggest that you are not in business to support the Government but to make money. It is in both your interests to attract business and create jobs. From what I see it is the BioMed sector ( mentioning no names) that is engaged in attempts to discredit the Government I don't think the Government needs any assistance in that regard. See the minibuses, refurbishment of Chester Street's ex-supermarket, Promenade etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymann Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: I would suggest that you are not in business to support the Government but to make money. It is in both your interests to attract business and create jobs. From what I see it is the BioMed sector ( mentioning no names) that is engaged in attempts to discredit the Government I can't disagree with your first point. But as per my post above, it has been used by the Gov as a tool to support their own needs too. Irrespective of the sector, it would take a VERY compelling argument to convince me it is appropriate for any Government minister to discredit a sector that they have spent many years to grow, irrespective of what's going on. Edited January 21, 2021 by jaymann 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, jaymann said: I can't disagree with your first point. But as per my post above, it has been used by the Gov as a tool to support their own needs too. Irrespective of the sector, it would take a VERY compelling argument to convince me it is appropriate for any Government minister to discredit a sector that they have spent many years to grow, irrespective of what's going on. The sector, or at least what appears to be their main spokesperson, discredited themself 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 By speaking truth? We're in an avoidable fucking lockdown. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 You know how 16:00 is Howard o clock? I propose 22:00 becomes diilioclock and we all charge our glasses in advance @dilligaf only joking 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxst Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: The sector, or at least what appears to be their main spokesperson, discredited themself How did Dr Glover ‘discredit’ herself? By speaking publicly and with a degree of transparency that is completely alien to our elected leaders? You might not agree with how vocal she is, or her use of social media, but discredited she is not. If anything, she has merely opened more eyes to how underhand, scheming, cowardly and closed this government actually is. Are you sharing Dilli’s bottle tonight per chance? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Roxanne said: I propose that we move Howard o’clock to 16.20. I’d pay to see that. I’d pay just not to see him... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 44 minutes ago, jaymann said: I don't see why I should continue to support the Government in attracting businesses and creating jobs in my own businesses when they engage in such attempts to discredit the BioMed sector. Surely all you have to do is explain that no one takes the Chief Minister seriously? You've got four and a half years practice, right? (And let's face it, no on from the UK or US can afford to be snobbish in this regard). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymann Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Just now, Roger Mexico said: Surely all you have to do is explain that no one takes the Chief Minister seriously? You've got four and a half years practice, right? (And let's face it, no on from the UK or US can afford to be snobbish in this regard). I take your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, jaymann said: appropriate for any Government minister to discredit a sector that they have spent many years to grow, Obviously, none of the MHKs have shares in 'your' business??? Edited January 21, 2021 by Kopek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 hours ago, yorik said: Skirting boards FFS I'd agree that it does seem an exercise in overkill. But... The paint used in a clinical setting is no ordinary covering. It is an anti-bacterial acrylic emulsion which is washable. When dried it has a smooth finish that basically acts as a skin, in a way similar to a shellac coating, an impervious layer that is moisture-resistant and can be easily and safely cleaned with common detergent, even when used on standard plasterboard. The most vulnerable part of plasterboard is its edge, especially when cut and joined. When the boards are mounted onto the stud they are usually screwed on leaving a 5-10mm gap between it and the flooring to stop floor cleaning fluids coming into contact with the exposed edge. Pre-painted (again using an acrylic coating), skirting is then applied, covering the gap between wall and floor. The skirt is then sealed top and bottom to the wall and flooring using anti-bacterial sealant, usually Dow 785+ as it is known. So when the house-keepers get stuck in after hours there's little opportunity for bacteria or viruses to lodge and lurk. It is a quick and easy job, difficult to get wrong. So there's more to it than bog-standard installation. If it was a complete in-house installation by DoI joiners/maintenance crews and not outside contractors, the hours put in will be by workers who are getting paid anyway, whether they're employed doing that at the airport or at any other government property. Those light fittings look to be a cheap and cheerful IP44 LED affair, also a wipe-clean fitting. Compared to other hugely expensive specialist wall coverings available, it is probably one of the cheaper applications. And as far as ventilation is concerned, think about it, it is better that any aerosol or droplets are contained in a smaller, more manageable area rather than be sucked up and concentrated into an air-handling unit to spread who knows where, at great expense. Quilp awaits condemnation and accusations of being a government shill, etc... 😁 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, quilp said: I'd agree that it does seem an exercise in overkill. But... The paint used in a clinical setting is no ordinary covering. It is an anti-bacterial acrylic emulsion which is washable. When dried it has a smooth finish that basically acts as a skin, in a way similar to a shellac coating, an impervious layer that is moisture-resistant and can be easily and safely cleaned with common detergent, even when used on standard plasterboard. The most vulnerable part of plasterboard is its edge, especially when cut and joined. When the boards are mounted onto the stud they are usually screwed on leaving a 5-10mm gap between it and the flooring to stop floor cleaning fluids coming into contact with the exposed edge. Pre-painted (again using an acrylic coating), skirting is then applied, covering the gap between wall and floor. The skirt is then sealed top and bottom to the wall and flooring using anti-bacterial sealant, usually Dow 785+ as it is known. So when the house-keepers get stuck in after hours there's little opportunity for bacteria or viruses to lodge and lurk. It is a quick and easy job, difficult to get wrong. So there's more to it than bog-standard installation. If it was a complete in-house installation by DoI joiners/maintenance crews and not outside contractors, the hours put in will be by workers who are getting paid anyway, whether they're employed doing that at the airport or at any other government property. Those light fittings look to be a cheap and cheerful IP44 LED affair, also a wipe-clean fitting. Compared to other hugely expensive specialist wall coverings available, it is probably one of the cheaper applications. And as far as ventilation is concerned, think about it, it is better that any aerosol or droplets are contained in a smaller, more manageable area rather than be sucked up and concentrated into an air-handling unit to spread who knows where, at great expense. Quilp awaits condemnation and accusations of being a government shill, etc... 😁 Is this the same "anti-bacterial acrylic emulsion" that is applied to the curtains and temporary partitions the rest of the world seem to be using? Is it the same as they are using in the photo? Edited January 21, 2021 by horatiotheturd 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Well, those curtains are absorbant and harder to keep clean, replacing them on a daily basis will be an added chore; taking them down , bagging them up, removing them for cleaning, replacing a-fresh, all very time-consuming compared to a wipe-clean with common detergents, don't you think? And, as this virus probably isn't going anywhere anytime soon the environment for adminstering vaccine treatments needs a element of permanence. Mobile screens? Yes, but again, in my opinion anyway, a proper dividing wall, fixed and enclosing a specific area is easier to manage hygienically. Got anything to add..? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) This is vaccination though. If we are preparing for a huge number of severe Covid cases then I can see the possible need for these areas to be used as overflow hospital facilities. That must surely be the case. Is there something we are not being told? Edited January 21, 2021 by Barlow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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