The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 2 hours ago, wrighty said: UK's R number is not helpful - it's only an estimate in any case and shows how the infection is likely to grow/recede, rather than the current infective load. More useful, and what is being used, is the UK caseload. ONS yesterday published 1:3900 based on survey data. Daily cases and daily deaths also figure into an overall estimate of the proportion of the UK population currently infected. That can be converted, roughly, to the probability of importing a case here given expected numbers travelling. That probability will never be zero. Is there a reason why the government isn't looking at the same thing as Guernsey with the testing then 7 day retesting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 How will the isolating from the 20th work for a person coming back to a house with a family there? As I understand it you have to isolate away from them within the same house. How does that even work or be monitored? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 18 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: How will the isolating from the 20th work for a person coming back to a house with a family there? As I understand it you have to isolate away from them within the same house. How does that even work or be monitored? It’s no different to those returning in the 7 days up to the 24 March. You sit as far apart as possible, stay in different rooms, ensure you disinfect the bathroom after each use if you haven’t two, don’t sleep in same bedroom. Its unpoliceable. It depends on responsibility and trust and people following mandatory guidance because they’re legal decent honest and truthful. Its not perfect, but it’s a step. One that’s easy to reverse. Im not sure how many will go away. Given the 14 days it’s not going to be ordinary working families. So it’s business people and the retired/non working of independent means, or those who can/do work from home. I’m guessing older well heeled. I hope everyone would be responsible and trustworthy. After all we’ve had about 4000 arrivals since 24 March with patient transfers, key workers, repatriations, key workers. We’ve heard about a few idiots breaching, only 6 or 7, but we’ve not had a spread into the community from them or anyone who did bring back. Neither has New Zealand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 I heard that folk coming over for funerals don't have to isolate. Is that true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Newbie Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, doc.fixit said: I heard that folk coming over for funerals don't have to isolate. Is that true? Only the ones inside the box! 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escape Artist Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 9 hours ago, Boris Johnson said: Look on the other plus side. We will save a fortune on glasses for our children, they will all be born with one eye in the middle if the interbreeding continues undiluted with fresh genes...... One problem with the border-closure is the low turnover of women on island. I used to hang out around the terminal in late afternoons full of hope… No wonder that we are losing active population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 2 hours ago, doc.fixit said: I heard that folk coming over for funerals don't have to isolate. Is that true? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 2 hours ago, John Wright said: It’s no different to those returning in the 7 days up to the 24 March. You sit as far apart as possible, stay in different rooms, ensure you disinfect the bathroom after each use if you haven’t two, don’t sleep in same bedroom. Its unpoliceable. It depends on responsibility and trust and people following mandatory guidance because they’re legal decent honest and truthful. Its not perfect, but it’s a step. One that’s easy to reverse. Im not sure how many will go away. Given the 14 days it’s not going to be ordinary working families. So it’s business people and the retired/non working of independent means, or those who can/do work from home. I’m guessing older well heeled. I hope everyone would be responsible and trustworthy. After all we’ve had about 4000 arrivals since 24 March with patient transfers, key workers, repatriations, key workers. We’ve heard about a few idiots breaching, only 6 or 7, but we’ve not had a spread into the community from them or anyone who did bring back. Neither has New Zealand. It is all down to trust and that is the Achilles heel. We just have to hope that all the local experts accept they have to fall in line for the greater good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 3 hours ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: Is there a reason why the government isn't looking at the same thing as Guernsey with the testing then 7 day retesting? Trust me, the government and its advisers are looking all over the world to try to determine best practice. I know that we’ve had direct contact with people in Guernsey, Jersey, Singapore and New Zealand. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx Expat Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, wrighty said: Trust me, the government and its advisers are looking all over the world to try to determine best practice. I know that we’ve had direct contact with people in Guernsey, Jersey, Singapore and New Zealand. Testing seems to be the most reliable way to go. I’m sure people would pay for it also it it saved them having to spend 14 unnecessary days of work when they get back from somewhere. We could potentially even make money out of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 21 minutes ago, wrighty said: Trust me, the government and its advisers are looking all over the world to try to determine best practice. I know that we’ve had direct contact with people in Guernsey, Jersey, Singapore and New Zealand. Will it involve any trips to NZ? Say, Canterbury.....? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 8 hours ago, ellanvannin2010 said: Fair enough,and I do not think anyone could have realistically foreseen this, any business trips I have are really in the "nice to have category" so can wait, the other businesses I deal with have staff travel bans in place anyway. Leisure trips would just be a torment I think at the moment I am surprised that testing on arrival and at 7 days does not seem currently to be part of the plan here. Totally agree. This is my situation too as far as business is concerned. So long as we are electronically connected, we can cope nicely. Obviously not been able to visit properties in Europe, but as you say, would you want to? I do feel sorry for others whose business is more hands on. I know quite a few who by now are tearing their hair out. 7 days would seem sensible at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Manx Expat said: We could potentially even make money out of it. Skelly will be onto that, you can bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 4 hours ago, doc.fixit said: I heard that folk coming over for funerals don't have to isolate. Is that true? 4 hours ago, Mr Newbie said: Only the ones inside the box! Oh yes, they do have to isolate. Not for 14 days but for ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 57 minutes ago, woolley said: Skelly will be onto that, you can bet. Skelly only does losses... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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