Barlow Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Didn't you also propose tagging people? That's fucking mental too. Unsavoury as it sounds it makes perfect sense. And if everyone had a tracker then contact tracing would be a breeze but that is a further matter. And for @Tricky if I was CM, I would have the Island on standby for a flash lockdown. None of this wishy washy two days to rush to B&Q to get your DIY etc. Say 4 hour notice. Keep stocked up - it could happen any time. And testing before travel to IoM. And definitely with tagging. Edited January 23, 2021 by Barlow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Rushen Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, pongo said: How many could realistically be isolated at the border ? Not much room at the airport with all these cubicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Just heard some details on BBC news about Guernsey entering lockdown (same restrictions as last spring) for an indefinite amount of time, to be reviewed in two week's time. The cases, three adults and one teenager, were discovered at 7:30 last night. Government met at 6am and called a briefing at noon to declare the lockdown. They will have another briefing tomorrow. They acted within 17 hours, far quicker and more decisively than we did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 39 minutes ago, WTF said: what about the over 50's that didn't want the vaccine ? That’s their problem, stay in or take a risk of infection. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: This post, in context to replying to mine, makes no sense. Ok. I'll rephrase it. What extra information would have prevented the lockdown and what timescale would have been required to achieve it. I don't mean to be negative and I have no axe to grind with anyone, I just genuinely cannot see how it could have been avoided whether it takes a week(or more) to get results from liverpool or 36hrs from an on island lab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Just now, Happier diner said: Ok. I'll rephrase it. What extra information would have prevented the lockdown and what timescale would have been required to achieve it. I don't mean to be negative and I have no axe to grind with anyone, I just genuinely cannot see how it could have been avoided whether it takes a week(or more) to get results from liverpool or 36hrs from an on island lab. I thought that's what you meant, but I don't think you read what I wrote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, Barlow said: Unsavoury as it sounds it makes perfect sense. And if everyone had a tracker then contact tracing would be a breeze but that is a further matter. And for @Tricky if I was CM, I would have the Island on standby for a flash lockdown. None of this wishy washy two days to rush to B&Q to get your DIY etc. Say 4 hour notice. Keep stocked up - it could happen any time. And testing before travel to IoM. And definitely with tagging. Exactly, and I don't see why anyone who wanted to travel here would have an issue with it. If they did, they cant come, simple. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Zarley said: Just heard some details on BBC news about Guernsey entering lockdown (same restrictions as last spring) for an indefinite amount of time, to be reviewed in two week's time. The cases, three adults and one teenager, were discovered at 7:30 last night. Government met at 6am and called a briefing at noon to declare the lockdown. They will have another briefing tomorrow. They acted within 17 hours, far quicker and more decisively than we did. We need to follow this. Flash lockdowns. No pissing about and be prepared. Aye, that's a bit shit but a lot better than the alternative shits. Tied in with other measures (tighter and more controlled borders) the need for further lockdowns would greatly reduce (obviously) Edited January 23, 2021 by Barlow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 A few local social media posts in Guernsey blaming unessential workers coming in, as well as people isolating but others in household still going out to work. They've been hit with the panic buyers also. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, Zarley said: Just heard some details on BBC news about Guernsey entering lockdown (same restrictions as last spring) for an indefinite amount of time, to be reviewed in two week's time. The cases, three adults and one teenager, were discovered at 7:30 last night. Government met at 6am and called a briefing at noon to declare the lockdown. They will have another briefing tomorrow. They acted within 17 hours, far quicker and more decisively than we did. Here's a more in-depth page from Guernsey. The one previously linked was only about gatherings. This additional page doesn't include the timeline like the report from BBC's resident reporter in the Balliwick, not does it include the demographics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said: A few local social media posts in Guernsey blaming unessential workers coming in, as well as people isolating but others in household still going out to work. They've been hit with the panic buyers also. And again we will panic and keep the borders closed, when actually both of those risks can be mitigated here (we obviously don't allow people to isolate with others) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, Happier diner said: What extra information would have prevented the lockdown and what timescale would have been required to achieve it. This has been explained to you about 20 times so far (and I don't think this is an exaggeration) but lets look at the current Guernsey outbreak, where they announced immediate lockdown at noon: This decision follows confirmation of four new positive cases of COVID-19 where it is not immediately clear how they contracted the virus, as none are directly from travel or the contacts of known cases or travellers. Contract tracing is continuing to determine whether there is a link between the cases and whether these cases are linked or this is as a result of wider community seeding. If you can establish through genomics whether these four cases are linked. If they are, it immediately lessens the worry and you can look at establishing the links through other methods and detailed tracing[1]. If contacts test positive their genomics can help feed back into the system. [1] If they are all absolutely identical you can check to see if the whole thing is caused by contamination. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said: A few local social media posts in Guernsey blaming unessential workers coming in, as well as people isolating but others in household still going out to work. They've been hit with the panic buyers also. Yes apparently in Guernsey, you can still isolate in your house with others who don’t get tested, similar to process we had previously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 27 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: I thought that's what you meant, but I don't think you read what I wrote. I did read it but maybe drew the wrong conclusion. Maybe you can clarify too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Nom de plume said: I actually agree with the one caveat. As soon as that last over 50 is vaccinated, it’s time to open .. fully, no isolating. Practice good hygiene, SD etc & those that wish to scare themselves to death can still hide away in their homes & have their shopping delivered to them through the cat flap. That's really the crux of it. We can either be open as usual, but with masks, social distancing etc. Or we continue to pursue local elimination, but we have to rely on heavy border controls. I don't think the vaccine will be the end of the disruption. Positive cases will still be doing their 2 weeks penance. Close contacts will probably be doing the same. That'll turn public opinion against importing cases too. The impact of individuals and their contacts isolating will still have knock-on effects for businesses too. The likelihood of being able to mix virus in circulation and back to normal? Very slim. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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