IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Happier diner]

16 minutes ago, piebaps said:

Yes NZ appear to be handling a very similar incident to "1886" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-55785787

 

No mention of genomic sequences

[piebaps]

1 minute ago, Happier diner said:

Cregean? 

Here is Peter. Here is Jane.

[piebaps]

Just now, Happier diner said:

No mention of genomic sequences

Sent to a lab in Australia probably

[the stinking enigma]

5 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

No mention of genomic sequences

Yes there is, just not specifically using those words

[AcousticallyChallenged]

8 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

No mention of genomic sequences

In a previous incident there. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300158184/covid19-how-aucklands-mystery-coronavirus-case-was-genome-sequence

[pongo]

42 minutes ago, Newbie said:

14 days and 3 negative tests is pretty secure, as is 21 days without tests for individuals isolating alone. If people have travelled together and are isolating together, perhaps they shouldn't be given the option of 21 days isolation without testing.

Perhaps 28 days hotel isolation with 4 compulsory tests at 7 day intervals days would be a good middle ground?

[Annoymouse]

3 hours ago, Augustus said:

"Bit of an oddball" lets him down gently. The man is delusional and dangerous to weak-minded people.

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-

2 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

Obviously "not the full shilling". Just the sort of person our Govt holds open the door for.

Bladon Jets seem to still be in existence, Coventry-based - I see MT CEO Gary Lamb is a NED with them too, according to their website?

 

news/man-spent-six-days-in-custody-after-refusing-to-give-details/

6 days in custody? thats absolutely bonkers, hopefully they now have his DNA/finger prints on file and can save themselves all the agro in future. 

[AcousticallyChallenged]

Guernsey is having a bit of a time of it.https://guernseypress.com/news/2021/01/24/lockdown-latest-cases-rise-to-31-with-six-in-community/

31 new cases with 6 being community seeding.

[Barlow]

16 hours ago, Zarley said:

His day 1 blog details the differences between UK and Guernsey's airport and the experience of testing at the airport on arrival. 

https://jehanswindup.blogspot.com/2021/01/quarantine-blog-day-1.html?spref=tw&m=1

 

This blog is well worth a read. That's how Guernsey do it.

In the Isle of Man it is more a case of "fuck it and fuck 'em, we're going for a MacDonalds and a slab of beer at Tescos. Maybe even pick up a local bint down at 1886 later"

Edited January 24, 2021 by Barlow

[Roger Mexico]

2 hours ago, TheTeapot said:

How long for?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-55785787

26 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

No mention of genomic sequences

On the contrary if you read the official media release:

We are undertaking rapid genome sequencing to see if there’s a match to other cases in the managed isolation facility as well as to whether the person has one of the more transmissable variants we’ve seen reported recently.
 
Importantly, we are working on the assumption any case might be a more transmissible variant and are taking appropriate precautions. 

Because New Zealand returnees isolate in designated hotels, there's always the possibility of cross contamination, in this case presumably from someone who later tested positive.  Because they do genomic sequencing on all positive tests they will be able to check for close matches and try to work out how this woman was infected (see seems to have travelled and isolated on her own).

It's an interesting contrast to our own similar case(s) where we seem uninterested to find out what went wrong.

It's also interesting to see how the track and trace app is able to make things much simpler:

The person visited a number of places in the Northland region on departing managed isolation and went to around 30 locations. Importantly the person has been vigilant in using the COVID TRACER app since leaving [the Managed Isolation Facility] and we have been able to rapidly identify these locations and are in the process of notifying them.

If cases are inevitable, having such things already up and running helps an awful lot.

 

[Newbie]

18 minutes ago, pongo said:

Perhaps 28 days hotel isolation with 4 compulsory tests at 7 day intervals days would be a good middle ground?

Not sure that would be classed as middle ground! If you want a quarantine system that is 100% guaranteed not to fail then your system sounds as though it would work except that for the final test you would probably need 2 tests, 24hrs apart to try to eliminate the problem of false negative results. I think most people would find that disproportionate. The current system is pretty secure apart from the slight weakness of people isolating together and potentially having the option not to get tested.

[the stinking enigma]

Our own version of radio silence over the new years eve case... was that to allow people that needed to get back get back? I note most of the kwc cases arrived back on the 4th

[AcousticallyChallenged]

5 minutes ago, Newbie said:

Not sure that would be classed as middle ground! If you want a quarantine system that is 100% guaranteed not to fail then your system sounds as though it would work except that for the final test you would probably need 2 tests, 24hrs apart to try to eliminate the problem of false negative results. I think most people would find that disproportionate. The current system is pretty secure apart from the slight weakness of people isolating together and potentially having the option not to get tested.

You can't isolate with non-travellers now.

[Happier diner]

6 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

On the contrary if you read the official media release:

We are undertaking rapid genome sequencing to see if there’s a match to other cases in the managed isolation facility as well as to whether the person has one of the more transmissable variants we’ve seen reported recently.
 
Importantly, we are working on the assumption any case might be a more transmissible variant and are taking appropriate precautions. 

Because New Zealand returnees isolate in designated hotels, there's always the possibility of cross contamination, in this case presumably from someone who later tested positive.  Because they do genomic sequencing on all positive tests they will be able to check for close matches and try to work out how this woman was infected (see seems to have travelled and isolated on her own).

It's an interesting contrast to our own similar case(s) where we seem uninterested to find out what went wrong.

It's also interesting to see how the track and trace app is able to make things much simpler:

The person visited a number of places in the Northland region on departing managed isolation and went to around 30 locations. Importantly the person has been vigilant in using the COVID TRACER app since leaving [the Managed Isolation Facility] and we have been able to rapidly identify these locations and are in the process of notifying them.

If cases are inevitable, having such things already up and running helps an awful lot.

 

I see. Note...undertaking (not undertaken) and only to see if there is a link. Nothing to do with tracing or closing it down. More for information it seems. Bit like us.

[Newbie]

1 minute ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

You can't isolate with non-travellers now.

No, but people who travel together can isolate together. One traveller could be in the early stages of an infection when they travel and infect the other one at some point during isolation. You would expect current testing to pick that up at some point during the 14 days, but if they have the option of not being tested and isolating for 21 days, there is a potential weakness (although probably quite low risk)