IOM Covid removing restrictions

[AcousticallyChallenged]

29 minutes ago, Nom de plume said:

Is that portrayed through the mainstream media?

Is that presented in simplistic terms by the Government in order that the U.K. public can understand & form opinion?

You know the answer.

You still don’t seem to grasp my point - I’m pissing in the wind here.

I’ll just have to accept that there are many (here) who see nothing strange in any of this.  

But that's the thing, the media flips all over the place like a weather vane. The more people you can get to look at sensationalist headlines, the better your coffers are. Truth doesn't sell paper or get those clicks in the same way.

Papers like the daily mail have been catering to those who want to read about how it's all overblown. But the next day, they'll be telling us how a new SUPER strain will be ruining all our fun by cancelling out the vaccine.

Neutrality of mainstream media simply is a fundamental issue, highlighted by COVID, but it long predates it.

[Roger Mexico]

18 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said:

We seem.to be looking at this as if everyone whingets infected has an issue.  They really don't.  Most of the people who have  been "cases" since New Year only knew because of a test, and unless anyone has heard differently I am not aware of anyone ending up in Nobles as a result.

That's 50 odd cases, no harm done

Since 3 January (I haven't checked before as the figures weren't daily) there's been one or two people in Nobles with Covid every day except 9-12 inclusive and yesterday.  The figure is published in the daily statistics on Facebook, Twitter and usually the website.

What do you want?  Howard Quayle to come round personally and shout them through your letterbox?  (Actually it would serve you right if he did).

[horatiotheturd]

2 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Since 3 January (I haven't checked before as the figures weren't daily) there's been one or two people in Nobles with Covid every day except 9-12 inclusive and yesterday.  The figure is published in the daily statistics on Facebook, Twitter and usually the website.

What do you want?  Howard Quayle to come round personally and shout them through your letterbox?  (Actually it would serve you right if he did).

Yeah I know.  I know one of them.

They weren't in hospital because they had covid.  They were in hospital recuperating from a procedure in the UK where they picked up COVID but without the test they would have never known.

So again.  Are you aware of anyone in Nobles as a result of catching COVID since 1st January?

That's a very different thing to people who have tested positive who happen to be in hospital as a result of a trip to the UK because they were already ill with something else.

 

[Nom de plume]

2 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said:

Yeah I know.  I know one of them.

They weren't in hospital because they had covid.  They were in hospital recuperating from a procedure in the UK where they picked up COVID but without the test they would have never known.

So again.  Are you aware of anyone in Nobles as a result of catching COVID since 1st January?

That's a very different thing to people who have tested positive who happen to be in hospital as a result of a trip to the UK because they were already ill with something else.

 

Was it reported in that way?

Or ...

They are in Nobles after catching Covid & would have been there anyway.

This is exactly the point.

The public see these stats & literally shit themselves.

Edited January 24, 2021 by Nom de plume

[pongo]

1 hour ago, Nom de plume said:

Is that portrayed through the mainstream media?

As opposed to fringe media: unaccredited crackpot conspiracy bloggers, Trumpsters, someone on Twitter, people with YouTube shows etc.

[Roger Mexico]

4 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said:

Yeah I know.  I know one of them.

They weren't in hospital because they had covid.  They were in hospital recuperating from a procedure in the UK where they picked up COVID but without the test they would have never known.

So again.  Are you aware of anyone in Nobles as a result of catching COVID since 1st January?

That's a very different thing to people who have tested positive who happen to be in hospital as a result of a trip to the UK because they were already ill with something else.

The pattern of numbers look like it's more than one person and there were two on some days in a rather scattered pattern, which suggests multiple admissions for short periods, probably of different people (or they shouldn't have discharged them).  With such small numbers patient confidentiality becomes a genuine problem, so we're unlikely to get more details.

It's worth pointing out that if the majority of your cases are among travellers and those close to them, the bias is going to be towards those less likely to be seriously affected by Covid short term, so you would expect fewer hospitalisations.  It's when the virus gets out to the wider community that problems start.

[TheTeapot]

2 minutes ago, pongo said:

As opposed to fringe media: unaccredited crackpot conspiracy bloggers, Trumpsters, someone on Twitter, people with YouTube shows etc.

Or indeed Toby Young and Alison Pearson of The Daily Telegraph.

[horatiotheturd]

2 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

The pattern of numbers look like it's more than one person and there were two on some days in a rather scattered pattern, which suggests multiple admissions for short periods, probably of different people (or they shouldn't have discharged them).  With such small numbers patient confidentiality becomes a genuine problem, so we're unlikely to get more details.

It's worth pointing out that if the majority of your cases are among travellers and those close to them, the bias is going to be towards those less likely to be seriously affected by Covid short term, so you would expect fewer hospitalisations.  It's when the virus gets out to the wider community that problems start.

"Unlikely to get more detais"

Yet you and the majority of others jump to the conclusion that the figures reported are people who caught it and got sick enough to need hospital treatment as a result.

You basically called me stupid for suggesting otherwise, and yet have no way of backing up what you are saying.

[Mistercee]

I see the Government still can't get the numbers right!!

On the news feed on their website they say current number of active cases is 43 but on Twitter  they show 38 active cases

Even the simple things cannot be done properly.  

 

 

[horatiotheturd]

7 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

The pattern of numbers look like it's more than one person and there were two on some days in a rather scattered pattern, which suggests multiple admissions for short periods, probably of different people (or they shouldn't have discharged them).  With such small numbers patient confidentiality becomes a genuine problem, so we're unlikely to get more details.

It's worth pointing out that if the majority of your cases are among travellers and those close to them, the bias is going to be towards those less likely to be seriously affected by Covid short term, so you would expect fewer hospitalisations.  It's when the virus gets out to the wider community that problems start.

That last paragraph makes even less sense than the first.

Hardly anyone is traveling at the moment.  50 a week are patient transfers.  By nature they are in the at risk categories 

Edited January 24, 2021 by horatiotheturd

[horatiotheturd]

2 minutes ago, Mistercee said:

I see the Government still can't get the numbers right!!

On the news feed on their website they say current number of active cases is 43 but on Twitter  they show 38 active cases

Even the simple things cannot be done properly.  

 

 

Irrelevant numbers anyway.  They are all isolating so what does it matter?

[pongo]

Just now, TheTeapot said:

Or indeed Toby Young and Alison Pearson of The Daily Telegraph.

I don't understand what happened with those two. But I fully expect them both to end up with nowhere to go except perhaps Spiked after the Telegraph inevitably finds its way back to the centre - assuming they can ever find a buyer. Even at what they do they seem decidely derivative.

[quilp]

1 minute ago, horatiotheturd said:

Hardly anyone is traveling at the moment.  50 a week are patient transfers.  By nature they are in the at risk categories 

About 200 a week according to Ashford in that revealing video you didn't watch. 

[horatiotheturd]

2 minutes ago, quilp said:

About 200 a week according to Ashford in that revealing video you didn't watch. 

Not sure that backs up your mates point at all to be honest.  In fact quite the opposite

[Newbie]

8 minutes ago, Mistercee said:

I see the Government still can't get the numbers right!!

On the news feed on their website they say current number of active cases is 43 but on Twitter  they show 38 active cases

Even the simple things cannot be done properly.  

 

 

Says 38 on both now. I guess you have to give the person who has to update them on a Sunday a few minutes to do it