AcousticallyChallenged Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 12 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said: Roughly 10 in Douglas 4 in Ramsey 3 in peel 1 in laxey 1 in Kirk Michael 4 at new station by Sefton express 4 at airport Plus cars, incident units etc. So roughly one for every 3,200 people Average UK fire response time is 8 minutes and 45 seconds per gov.uk. If we didn't cover the diverse geography of the island with appliances, how would we even come close? Where would you put them such that the island had a reasonable response time, and contingency for big fires? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: What facilities can they share? The machinery is totally different, you'd have to build the station to cover either side of the fence and protect it anyway, as you can't have people being able to cross to airside accidentally. The airport fire station needs to essentially have a path directly to the runway per regulation. The airport fire station needs to also be manned whenever flights are operating, there is an enormous number of rules governing it. Pretty sure if it was an issue for a private business to figure out they would have put it somewhere near the airport museum and private jet centre so runway one side and main road the other. The other bits really aren't that hard to figure out with modern technology and access controls to a building, but we are way off topic. Was just highlighted as another example of bloat and vanity projects. 250k just to design it ffs. A firestation for an airport on flat land, that needs to be the same as thousands of other airport fire stations. £250k !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 26 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said: Roughly 10 in Douglas 4 in Ramsey 3 in peel 1 in laxey 1 in Kirk Michael 4 at new station by Sefton express 4 at airport Plus cars, incident units etc. So roughly one for every 3,200 people The other issue for them is that they cannot call on a neighbouring fire service in the event of something major (unlike the UK), so to a certain extent they have to gear up for that. Unfortunately for the Fire Service, they can't send their difficult cases off island! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 39 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said: Pretty sure if it was an issue for a private business to figure out they would have put it somewhere near the airport museum and private jet centre so runway one side and main road the other. The other bits really aren't that hard to figure out with modern technology and access controls to a building, but we are way off topic. Was just highlighted as another example of bloat and vanity projects. 250k just to design it ffs. A firestation for an airport on flat land, that needs to be the same as thousands of other airport fire stations. £250k !! I would risk a bet that 250k could modernise the existing one to an acceptable standard or indeed extend it to what is required but as we know we need people spending cash to make them feel good at their jobs. The new terminal will be next trust me .. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, asitis said: I would risk a bet that 250k could modernise the existing one to an acceptable standard or indeed extend it to what is required but as we know we need people spending cash to make them feel good at their jobs. The new terminal will be next trust me .. Just need to move it to somewhere that's not regularly fogbound! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanShimmin Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 17 minutes ago, asitis said: I would risk a bet that 250k could modernise the existing one to an acceptable standard or indeed extend it to what is required but as we know we need people spending cash to make them feel good at their jobs. The new terminal will be next trust me .. Not saying the £250k fee is needed. But DOI trying to cut costs always makes me nervous. Look what they came up with when they bought a cheaper diesel train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, horatiotheturd said: Roughly 10 in Douglas 4 in Ramsey 3 in peel 1 in laxey 1 in Kirk Michael 4 at new station by Sefton express 4 at airport Plus cars, incident units etc. So roughly one for every 3,200 people 5 Douglas and 3 Ramsey. Do you want to recalculate using real numbers? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Latest statistics from ONS show only c8000 of total deaths were in those aged under 64 There were a total of 7,961 deaths of people aged 20 to 64 years old, between 9 March and 28 December last year. Two thirds were men, of which the majority were in low-skilled jobs, working in care, leisure and service occupations. Also two thirds of all deaths in care homes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, Banker said: Latest statistics from ONS show only c8000 of total deaths were in those aged under 64 A year ago 1 person dying of Covid made headline news. Certainly 50 or 100. But now only 8000 or so, under 64 and it's just another update. And the over 65s don't really matter because they're going to die sometime soonish anyway, well before the under 64s We've become hardened to the situation so quickly. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 29 minutes ago, Banker said: Latest statistics from ONS show only c8000 of total deaths were in those aged under 64 There were a total of 7,961 deaths of people aged 20 to 64 years old, between 9 March and 28 December last year. Two thirds were men, of which the majority were in low-skilled jobs, working in care, leisure and service occupations. Also two thirds of all deaths in care homes. I really don't understand your repetitive use of the age aspect. You're just rolling out old news, for what purpose? We're all aware by now of the risks and to whom, and your philosophy behind it as a reason to open things up. It's a bore yessir, we already know... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 40 minutes ago, Banker said: Latest statistics from ONS show only c8000 of total deaths were in those aged under 64 There were a total of 7,961 deaths of people aged 20 to 64 years old, between 9 March and 28 December last year. Two thirds were men, of which the majority were in low-skilled jobs, working in care, leisure and service occupations. Also two thirds of all deaths in care homes. It's not the dying that's the issue, it's the people not dying, but taking a while to get better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monasqueen Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Selections from a Telegraph article today, about Ealing Hospital, "where people in their 30s, 40s and 50s are fighting for their lives.".. It's probably behind a paywall, so I have selected a couple of relevant bits. "A 56-year-old teacher, Cook tested positive two weeks ago. She felt a little unwell, she says, then “boom, the next thing you know I’m at death's door, rushed in, collapsed, couldn’t breathe”. Cook has now been on oxygen for ten days" “At the minute we have a particularly young group of patients in,” she says. “Many of our patients on the very sick ward are now between the ages of 40 and seventy." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Banker said: Latest statistics from ONS show only c8000 of total deaths were in those aged under 64 There were a total of 7,961 deaths of people aged 20 to 64 years old, between 9 March and 28 December last year. Two thirds were men, of which the majority were in low-skilled jobs, working in care, leisure and service occupations. Also two thirds of all deaths in care homes. And the vast majority of those c8000 had underlying health conditions. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Cambon said: And the vast majority of those c8000 had underlying health conditions. Eugenics again yeah? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Another £7m cost of latest lockdown so c£20m in total. Should be a lot more but they are paying peanuts to workers whilst they continue on full pay & lots aren’t happy about it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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