Capt_Mainwaring Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, horatiotheturd said: Anyway. Same applied right through last summer and autumn when thatbwast an issue so it's not a reason for our backward approach. It may be an excuse for it now, but we weren't letting people in even when the situation was a lot better I think what it boils down to is the risk of bringing the virus back in, and then ending up in another lockdown. We can't afford £8 - £10m plus every time it got back in to the community. I know what you're saying about ankle tags but there's still a chance that it'll either get out through breaking isolation or a perfect storm of extended incubation period etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Ankle tags are a ludicrous idea. Why? Give an actual reason why? Letting people isolate in a location of their own choice assuming they wear a tag is more ludicrous than bussing people with a police escort to the Comis and giving them fixed times for exercise. Is it? Really? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 29 minutes ago, Capt_Mainwaring said: Test on day 1 and 13 to leave isolation - pretty similar to be honest. And how do you 'track' people as you put it? Please elaborate... There will always be that one person who breaks the rules unless you go down the Australia route. But, bizarrely, the day 1 test is self administered swabbing. Presumably to reduce risk to airport testing staff. @horatiotheturd the difference between now and most of last summer is that non essential travel was not illegal then in England. It is now. Although travel for work or a house move would still be legal in England today, but you wouldn’t get an entry permission here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itsmeee Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 41 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said: It is. Same as you said yourself its open for manx residents. Maybe not in lawyer speak, but most people in the context of a discussion about borders since covid on the island wojld call that an open border in that there is absolutely no restriction on who can cross it. I wouldn’t call that an open border. That’s a border with extreme restrictions. I would call our borders open when anyone can come and go freely with no restrictions, no permissions required, no testing or isolation requirements Edited January 25, 2021 by Itsmeee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, John Wright said: But, bizarrely, the day 1 test is self administered swabbing. Presumably to reduce risk to airport testing staff. @horatiotheturd the difference between now and most of last summer is that non essential travel was not illegal then in England. It is now. Although travel for work or a house move would still be legal in England today, but you wouldn’t get an entry permission here. OK. So put a clear policy in place to become effective the minute that changes. Be proactive, show people a plan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said: Ankle tags are a doddle to roll out. How on earth is someone putting them on someone anymore at risk that the people testing all the positive people. Its a non issue. New Zealand let all returnees isolate in hotels so risk a day one person infecting someone about to leave. We dont Cost is 14 quid per person per day according to this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19692306 Have you considered the administrative overhead of this? It's not slap a tag on and done. You need to actually collect and store the data, you then need to monitor and police breaches too. So far, none of our cases have been through isolation breaches. We have high compliance given that you end up in Jurby at the drop of a hat. How will a day one person infect anyone else in NZ? They don't share a bed. When you're in isolation like that, everything is staggered, you don't come into contact with any travellers further through their isolation and you don't leave your hotel room. Friend of mine did it in SK. Even when the fire alarm was going off, they were to remain put. The truth is that we need to be able to handle small outbreaks without lockdowns. That's the puzzle piece we are missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said: Why? Give an actual reason why? Letting people isolate in a location of their own choice assuming they wear a tag is more ludicrous than bussing people with a police escort to the Comis and giving them fixed times for exercise. Is it? Really? The expense of buying and setting up the system. The unreliability of the telecommunications system especially with IOM topography. The expense of monitoring. Its why we don’t do tagging for criminals. We tried. Was less than perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt_Mainwaring Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, John Wright said: But, bizarrely, the day 1 test is self administered swabbing. Presumably to reduce risk to airport testing staff. @horatiotheturd the difference between now and most of last summer is that non essential travel was not illegal then in England. It is now. Although travel for work or a house move would still be legal in England today, but you wouldn’t get an entry permission here. Travel abroad from UK is also now essential only isn't it - with all travel corridors removed? Talk of enforced 14 day quarantine at hotels in the briefing tonight too - sounds like it is being considered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, Itsmeee said: I wouldn’t call that an open border. That’s a border with extreme restrictions. I would call our borders open when anyone can come and go freely with no restrictions, no permissions required, no testing or isolation requirements Fair enough. Given the fact that they keep telling us the border has been "open toamx residents " i was using the same phrase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Capt_Mainwaring said: Travel abroad from UK is also now essential only isn't it - with all travel corridors removed? Talk of enforced 14 day quarantine at hotels in the briefing tonight too - sounds like it is being considered? That’s the point I’m making. You can prima facile currently travel to a port/airport to come to IOM under English regs. But you can’t get in to IOM unless you’re a returning resident or a tightly restricted worker of importance to national infrastructure. So the travel in England would be illegal if you can’t get in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, John Wright said: The expense of buying and setting up the system. The unreliability of the telecommunications system especially with IOM topography. The expense of monitoring. Its why we don’t do tagging for criminals. We tried. Was less than perfect. Before 4g we did. I may or may not have significant experience working in mobile networking an IoT. People seem very keen to dismiss everything without giving any alternative but to all live in a bubble. Howard's fear mongering appears complete. Personally I see a huge opportunity to lead the way and put usnon the map. Everyone else seems to want to live under a rock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said: Before 4g we did. I may or may not have significant experience working in mobile networking an IoT. People seem very keen to dismiss everything without giving any alternative but to all live in a bubble. Howard's fear mongering appears complete. Personally I see a huge opportunity to lead the way and put usnon the map. Everyone else seems to want to live under a rock I don’t live remotely. No 4G reception here. 3G data is iffy in summer. And 200 a week, 400 at a time would stretch resources. Alf’s 700/1400 even more so. And if it was 2000 a week/4000 at any one time. The set up costs for equipment and the running costs for monitoring won’t be cheap. Im not dismissing for the sake of dismissing. I’m just saying the cost of the perceived benefit is more than the benefit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) . Edited January 25, 2021 by Barlow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx Yeller Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, John Wright said: Another day of no cases. 13 days since last community transmission. The test for lifting lockdown is supposed to be 14 days community transmission free. Todays press conference cancelled. Wonder if they’ll call a late one tomorrow or Wednesday and end lockdown early? I wish they would but I doubt it. I'm surprised none of the journalists picked up on this and asked why it changed. It seemed very clear that this was the benchmark and so lockdown has been extended for no good reason that I can see. We also don't actually know how long it's been since the last "community transmission" since they've now linked 3 of them back to the source after the genomics from Liverpool. So we may actually already be 14 or 15 days free... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, John Wright said: I don’t live remotely. No 4G reception here. 3G data is iffy in summer. And 200 a week, 400 at a time would stretch resources. Alf’s 700/1400 even more so. And if it was 2000 a week/4000 at any one time. The set up costs for equipment and the running costs for monitoring won’t be cheap. Im not dismissing for the sake of dismissing. I’m just saying the cost of the perceived benefit is more than the benefit Those numbers aren't remotely an issue. Plenty of experts on island who could make it work as a case study and then sell the technology worldwide for lots of other applications. There is a lot goes on under the radar over here. This would be a doddle for some local businesses and they would welcome the opportunity to raise their local.lrofjle and then sell the tech. Same as the track and trace app. We have the skills and technology on island to build something phenomenal. Takes foresight and desire from government though. Better to all stay locked up than look.at chances to improve all our lives and raise the islands profile. Just spend the money on shiny vaccination centres that we don't need instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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