Manxtoffee Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 56 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: My point is that we need to be in a position where we can manage eventual outbreaks, rather than having to shut down every time we have a cluster. This is true - the issue is we haven’t come far enough with the vaccinating yet. I’d rather do a few ‘circuit breakers’ than let it run out of control and be in the position England find themselves in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha-acid Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, wrighty said: Resistance is relative. It’s unlikely, perhaps impossible, that the virus mutates such that it is completely unaffected by the immune response generated by current vaccines. I have thought that the optimum vaccination strategy would be a single dose followed by deliberate infection a few weeks later. Should cover all bases, but probably impractical That response is surely irresponsible from a Medic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Max Power said: I just thought I'd post this link re hotel isolation and how it works around the world. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-how-do-hotel-quarantines-work-around-the-world-12198716?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter I'd have thought that this would be a good way of supporting the hospitality sector whilst assisting in free movement? Yep, as expressed by many at the time, the Comis Covid was a good move and ahead of its time. Well done those from IoMGovernment for sticking their ground. It was moves like that that gave us 6 months freedom. ETA: The link makes interesting reading. The Isle of Man could reinvent itself as a near-to-UK-but-not-UK 'paradise' holiday destination. Edited January 25, 2021 by Barlow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, wrighty said: Resistance is relative. It’s unlikely, perhaps impossible, that the virus mutates such that it is completely unaffected by the immune response generated by current vaccines. I have thought that the optimum vaccination strategy would be a single dose followed by deliberate infection a few weeks later. Should cover all bases, but probably impractical 28 minutes ago, alpha-acid said: That response is surely irresponsible from a Medic Immunologically it’d probably be really effective - an initial vaccine to give protection against getting seriously ill from the virus, followed by the ultimate in immunological booster in the form of the full virus generating immunity to other aspects of the virus apart from the spike protein, as well as cell mediated immunity plus memory. Back in the day I did a degree in immunology before becoming a bone-setter. The somewhat tongue-in-cheek nature of my suggestion was hinted at by the winky emoji. You clearly didn’t get that but even so, I don’t think my response is ‘irresponsible’. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 7 hours ago, wrighty said: Immunologically it’d probably be really effective - an initial vaccine to give protection against getting seriously ill from the virus, followed by the ultimate in immunological booster in the form of the full virus generating immunity to other aspects of the virus apart from the spike protein, as well as cell mediated immunity plus memory. Back in the day I did a degree in immunology before becoming a bone-setter. The somewhat tongue-in-cheek nature of my suggestion was hinted at by the winky emoji. You clearly didn’t get that but even so, I don’t think my response is ‘irresponsible’. Don't worry, Wrighty, most of the rest of us understood. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 12 hours ago, John Wright said: They don’t have crystal balls. or any it would seem. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 So briefing today instead of tomorrow, here's hoping for good news!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hedgehog Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 14 minutes ago, The Chief said: So briefing today instead of tomorrow, here's hoping for good news!! Given that the education minister will be attending I would expect it will be about schools reopening on Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dave Hedgehog said: Given that the education minister will be attending I would expect it will be about schools reopening on Monday. the way i feel today i'd take that as good news and i haven't even got any kids!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomadic Raptor Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Yes already had letter from school they open on Monday and scaling back home learning Thursday and Friday this week no chance they are ending lock down early as big chief isn’t there to give the news and there is no way he would let anyone else do it 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) Having given up on Manx Radio some time ago I listen to the BBC Radio 4 Today programme. This morning, they interviewed Vaccines Minister Nadhim Zahawi, a recording of Boris Johnson, and Jeremy Hunt the Chair of the Health Select Committee. These guys are just waffle and bluster. I realise that is a supposedly quaint trait of Boris, but this is a pandemic, and they are all at it. They are floundering. Say what you like about Howard and Ashie, but certainly by comparison, I have to say they are straight talking and sensible. The IoMGov has a good grip on the Covid situation. So credit where it is due. The UK is an utter basket case. Over 40% not adhering to lockdown and isolation rules, 1000s still pouring into the country each day unchecked, hospitals full and 100,000 Covid dead. For once and once only, the phrase 'the adjacent Isle' has significance. And don't touch with a barge pole. Edited January 26, 2021 by Barlow 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beelzebub3 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 19 minutes ago, Barlow said: Having given up on Manx Radio some time ago I listen to the BBC Radio 4 Today programme. This morning, they interviewed Vaccines Minister Nadhim Zahawi, a recording of Boris Johnson, and Jeremy Hunt the Chair of the Health Select Committee. These guys are just waffle and bluster. I realise that is a supposedly quaint trait of Boris, but this is a pandemic, and they are all at it. They are floundering. Say what you like about Howard and Ashie, but certainly by comparison, I have to say they are straight talking and sensible. The IoMGov has a good grip on the Covid situation. So credit where it is due. The UK is an utter basket case. Over 40% not adhering to lockdown and isolation rules, 1000s still pouring into the country each day unchecked, hospitals full and 100,000 Covid dead. For once and once only, the phrase 'the adjacent Isle' has significance. And don't touch with a barge pole. 68.000.000 verses 84.000 on a Island surrounded by water only 2 access points people who have complied as requested and if they dared to flout the law ended up in prison, yes I can see the comparison FFS get a grip. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Dave Hedgehog said: Given that the education minister will be attending I would expect it will be about schools reopening on Monday. The sight and sound of Allinson will spoil my beer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Interesting comparison between Jersey and Guernsey by Gary Burgess, a Jersey radio and ITV news reporter https://guernseypress.com/news/2021/01/26/elimination-vs-suppression/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Beelzebub3 said: 68.000.000 verses 84.000 on a Island surrounded by water only 2 access points people who have complied as requested and if they dared to flout the law ended up in prison, yes I can see the comparison FFS get a grip. OK, laddie, how about you take a grip. FFS. UK is surrounded by erm, water too, H2fuckingO. UK has Covid laws in place. UK has a police force. UK people - nearly half don't comply, don't care, know better. UK is a fucking basket case. Go back and see for yourself. Edited January 26, 2021 by Barlow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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