horatiotheturd Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said: The question is could they afford not to go to work? Well, if they were guaranteed full pay while self isolating for 14 days (eg nurse, teacher etc) they would have been at home at the slightest sign of a sniffle Edited January 27, 2021 by horatiotheturd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said: Should we start sterilising a portion of the population as well? Not the time or place for that conversation. I am going to go with "no comment" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 We already are anyway, starting with the over 80's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 35 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said: Just shows how we can have different experiences. The people I know are pretty much all family (young, in their 20s and 30s) acquaintances I have made through working in a number of industries (nearly all men aged between 30 and 50) or people i met back in the days when I did a bit of competitive cycling (all 30 to 50 and if not into fitness now they were 15 years ago) Most didn't even pass it on to people in their house, or if they did it never showed up either via symptoms or testing. The other thing to consider with testing is that here, the unknown cases were identified when people presented with symptoms. As did the 1886 cases. They got a test when they became symptomatic. The figures don’t say whether people subsequently go on to being symptomatic. It’s plausible the test is picking them up before that. Some of the symptoms are not far off where I am if I’ve had too many beers the night before. So I’m not surprised if people don’t necessarily notice if they don’t usually get particularly ill from things. Equally, I know people in their early 30s who were wiped out and just about bedridden at home with it. Kids in the same house? Absolutely fine. There’s a chap I know here who went across for a cancer surgery and was told he couldn’t have it because his lungs showed signs of COVID-like damage. His wife had travelled across and was ill with it when she came back and tested positive but he never noticed any symptoms. He just can’t have the operation now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Banker said: Seems unbelievable but some Jersey workers went to work with COVID symptoms!! https://www.channel103.com/news/jersey-news/covid-cluster-ambulance-called-for-symptomatic-workers/ Maybe they need a stronger deterrent than a fine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 56 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: I'm guessing they wouldn't have bern paid had they not. Probably right, same as here and in uk unless government employee or can work from home, shows the inequality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, The Old Git said: Maybe they need a stronger deterrent than a fine? They weren’t under quarantine!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 8 hours ago, Gladys said: Isn't this the use of terminology which leads to misinterpretation and was debated at length months ago? Calling positive tests 'cases' implies that they are symptomatic, but we have been told many times that there is a high percentage of those positives who actually suffer no symptoms which is why it spreads and why total lockdowns are effective. We've been through this several times before. The very definition of a case is that it tests positive in the lab. And that is true of every other infectious disease, so they're not going to change things so as to make some people on the internet feel better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: We've been through this several times before. The very definition of a case is that it tests positive in the lab. And that is true of every other infectious disease, so they're not going to change things so as to make some people on the internet feel better. Whilst that is true, how many other infectious diseases do the UK and we routinely test people for even without any symptoms. That is why the figures are so skewed. Personally I only really look at hospital admissions as a measure of who is actually ill and even those figures aren't broken down enough to be useful eg my family friend in Nobles who showed as a COVID case in nobles, who didn't even know they had it until tested and still wouldn't do this day despite no being allegedly recovered. Edited January 27, 2021 by horatiotheturd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said: Whilst that is true, how many other infectious diseases do the UK and we routinely test people for even without any symptoms. That is why the figures are so skewed. Personally I only really look at hospital admissions as a measure of who is actually ill and even those figures aren't broken down enough to be useful eg my family friend in Nobles who showed as a COVID case in nobles, who didn't even know they had it until tested and still wouldn't do this day despite no being allegedly recovered. You (we) are wasting our time. Many have made up their minds on how the figures should be extrapolated. The press report the figures in a way guided by their Government in turn directed by their medical experts. We all know the way it’s reported is a load of old cobblers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Banker said: Seems unbelievable but some Jersey workers went to work with COVID symptoms!! https://www.channel103.com/news/jersey-news/covid-cluster-ambulance-called-for-symptomatic-workers/ What a great shopping street and not one F%&*£$G Granite block in sight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Banker said: They weren’t under quarantine!! But they were symptomatic and should have arranged a test Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 15 minutes ago, The Old Git said: But they were symptomatic and should have arranged a test Agreed but you wouldn’t get prison for that as you implied Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Nom de plume said: You (we) are wasting our time. Many have made up their minds on how the figures should be extrapolated. The press report the figures in a way guided by their Government in turn directed by their medical experts. We all know the way it’s reported is a load of old cobblers. The key thing about reporting covid cases is consistency. A positive PCR is a hard outcome. Whether someone is symptomatic or not depends on subjectivity as to what constitutes a significant symptom. Being admitted to hospital is a bit better, but even that will have some subjectivity depending on capacity - I have heard of people being managed at home being given a pulse oximeter instead of being admitted as the hospital was full. When it comes to deaths, there will undoubtedly be anomalies - the good old asymptomatic case being run over by a bus being counted, but someone who lingers on ITU for 29 days after testing before dying not - but setting the standard at 'within 28 days of a positive test' at least gives consistency and allows valid comparisons to be made. It's not perfect, but it's certainly not 'a load of old cobblers'. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 20 minutes ago, wrighty said: The key thing about reporting covid cases is consistency. A positive PCR is a hard outcome. Whether someone is symptomatic or not depends on subjectivity as to what constitutes a significant symptom. Being admitted to hospital is a bit better, but even that will have some subjectivity depending on capacity - I have heard of people being managed at home being given a pulse oximeter instead of being admitted as the hospital was full. When it comes to deaths, there will undoubtedly be anomalies - the good old asymptomatic case being run over by a bus being counted, but someone who lingers on ITU for 29 days after testing before dying not - but setting the standard at 'within 28 days of a positive test' at least gives consistency and allows valid comparisons to be made. It's not perfect, but it's certainly not 'a load of old cobblers'. I'm trying to process it. We had 50 'cases' not so long ago. I might be wrong but was it two that were admitted to Nobles but are now out & recovered? One of them (possibly both) was in for a procedure & tested positive through a routine test. You'll do well to convince me that we shouldn't be shielding the vulnerable until they are vaccinated whilst the rest of us crack on. I know it's nauseous, me I mean, churning out the same old drivel to counter balance the same old drivel by the same old protagonists. The whole thing - Economic armageddon, educational failings, unemployment, families separated, healthcare suspended ... everything, it just doesn't sit right. Just me, I know. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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