pongo Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) It's not an alternative to lockdowns or border restrictions. Which is what some here have tried to sell the idea as. Edited January 28, 2021 by pongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, Terminal said: Am I the only one who finds it a little suspicious that we’ve not had any positive cases even from people who have travelled back to the island? We used to have those almost every day. Yes ,sadly I'm a more than a little suspicious tbh . Hope I'm wrong but to be fair not sure how they could hide it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, horatiotheturd said: We redeployed theatre staff amongst others into ICU last time. From the Gaiety? Think that was Southland's! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: App based track and trace is anonymous. But the whole idea is, it notifies people who have been in close contact, otherwise it'd be useless. You send out a list of anonymous IDs every X minutes/hours with IDs that have tested positive. Your phone does some sums and decides whether to alert you that you've been in close contact and should present for test. Nope. Pongo has decided its better to wait a few days after they find case and ask them to try and remember where they have been for the previous 10 days. Then a day or so after you can read out the places where someone was, without any idea who was actually in close proximity or for how long and then hope that they hear it and remember where they were themselves and then voluntarily isolate. Clearly much more efficient than a system that people have offered to do for free that would do it much more quickly, more accurately, and with a better hit rate. Obviously. That's why we are great and the rest of the developed world are all wrong. Makes you wonder why they even bothered building the core tech into the main phone operating systems realy. Pongo could have saved them the effort 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, pongo said: It's not an alternative to lockdowns or border restrictions. Which is what some here have tried to sell the idea as. Noone has said that at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Banker said: Guernsey going horribly wrong , probably overtake Jersey cases soon at this rate! Good the levels of detail they give on ages etc https://guernseypress.com/news/2021/01/28/schools-colleges-likely-to-stay-shut-next-week-as-cases-reach-107/ Who would have thought that this thing could spread rapidly in education settings? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Banker said: Guernsey going horribly wrong , probably overtake Jersey cases soon at this rate! Good the levels of detail they give on ages etc https://guernseypress.com/news/2021/01/28/schools-colleges-likely-to-stay-shut-next-week-as-cases-reach-107/ I think all considered, we got very lucky. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: Who would have thought that this thing could spread rapidly in education settings? Blimey, that explains why all the teachers stayed home! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said: Makes you wonder why they even bothered building the core tech into the main phone operating systems realy. That does not solve the practicalities around usefully rolling out something like that out. 9 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said: Clearly much more efficient than a system that people have offered to do for free that would do it much more quickly, more accurately, and with a better hit rate. Clearly cost isn't the issue. 12 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said: Then a day or so after you can read out the places where someone was, without any idea who was actually in close proximity or for how long and then hope that they hear it and remember where they were themselves and then voluntarily isolate The apps are anonymous. You would still have no idea who was in close proximity or whether they had complied. You would still need to lockdown. Exactly the same. It solves nothing in terms of preventing an outbreak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, pongo said: That does not solve the practicalities around usefully rolling out something like that out. Clearly cost isn't the issue. The apps are anonymous. You would still have no idea who was in close proximity or whether they had complied. You would still need to lockdown. Exactly the same. It solves nothing in terms of preventing an outbreak. Noone ever said it prevents an outbreak. The clue is in the name. It helps you track and trace when there is an outbreak. Much more quickly and efficiently than reading a list of places on the radio and expecting people to react. B&Q, Tuesday 2:30 to 2:50 ffs. Whats the harm in an app that costs nothing and would do a lot of the leg work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, pongo said: That does not solve the practicalities around usefully rolling out something like that out. Clearly cost isn't the issue. The apps are anonymous. You would still have no idea who was in close proximity or whether they had complied. You would still need to lockdown. Exactly the same. It solves nothing in terms of preventing an outbreak. Rolling something like that out? Not that hard, we have regular media briefings, a national radio station and two network providers. When Bob downloads his app, it's perfectly within scope and terms to request, not force, a mobile phone number to be associated with it. Bob's app fires as a close contact, he can be on the list of people to call to recommend a test to. It's about as easy as that. https://blog.google/documents/72/Exposure_Notifications_Service_Additional_Terms.pdf At least you'll get to the people that forgot they were in B&Q ten days ago, rather than relying on a big list rattled off and scrabbling around for receipts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: Rolling something like that out? Not that hard, we have regular media briefings, a national radio station and two network providers. When Bob downloads his app, it's perfectly within scope and terms to request, not force, a mobile phone number to be associated with it. Bob's app fires as a close contact, he can be on the list of people to call to recommend a test to. It's about as easy as that. https://blog.google/documents/72/Exposure_Notifications_Service_Additional_Terms.pdf At least you'll get to the people that forgot they were in B&Q ten days ago, rather than relying on a big list rattled off and scrabbling around for receipts. Give it up. Pongo says its far to hard to roll something out that even Boris managed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said: Give it up. Pongo says etc Contact-tracing apps: there’s no evidence they’re helping stop COVID-19 - The Conversation Do digital contact tracing apps work? Here’s what you need to know - MIT Why coronavirus contact-tracing apps aren’t yet the ‘game changer’ authorities hoped they’d be - CNBC Contact Tracing Apps Were Big Tech's Best Idea for Fighting COVID-19. Why Haven't They Helped? - Time CONTACT TRACING APPS PROMISED BIG AND DIDN’T DELIVER - The Verge COVID Contact Tracing Apps Are Far From Perfect - NYT The Logic Around Contact Tracing Apps Is All Wrong - Wired How to Fix COVID Contact Tracing - Scientifc American There are many reasons why covid-19 contact-tracing apps may not work - New Scientist Contact-tracing apps are not a solution to the COVID-19 crisis - The Brookings Institution Edited January 28, 2021 by pongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Spit test for Covid finds symptomless cases... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55840547 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 52 minutes ago, quilp said: Spit test for Covid finds symptomless cases... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55840547 Bet they would love somewhere to trail that. IOMG. Contact them, offer to part fund it in return for a percentage of tmfuture profits. Set up a centre at our ports and go level 3 in conjuction with the existing regime and also this test at entry. Six weeks in if its picked up cases that the pcr test missed then we vmcan build a world beating open border policy and also sell this now proven test around the world and put the Isle of man on the map. They would love funding and a small and controlled test base. Or just keep the borders closed and let all the opportunities pass us by Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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