Banker Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, quilp said: Someone, might've been the turd mentioned ankle bracelets for returning residents and workers required to self-isolate. I'd agree with this... https://www.timesofisrael.com/health-ministry-said-to-weigh-ankle-bracelets-for-those-returning-from-abroad/ Probably work here but in Guernsey the household doesn’t have to isolate so you can have several from same household going out as follows Providing that the household is not isolating together, and that the person isolating is compliant with all of the rules (which can be found below), the other residents of the household are not subject to any restrictions and can go about their business as normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Rushen Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Shocking how the numbers escalate. Once you get above 50 it ramps up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, Banker said: Probably work here but in Guernsey the household doesn’t have to isolate so you can have several from same household going out as follows Providing that the household is not isolating together, and that the person isolating is compliant with all of the rules (which can be found below), the other residents of the household are not subject to any restrictions and can go about their business as normal. Guernsey latest figures. https://covid19.gov.gg/test-results How much clearer and how much more information. This second wave is now bigger than the first wave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 18 minutes ago, quilp said: Someone, might've been the turd mentioned ankle bracelets for returning residents and workers required to self-isolate. I'd agree with this... https://www.timesofisrael.com/health-ministry-said-to-weigh-ankle-bracelets-for-those-returning-from-abroad/ Look what is at stake though. Needs bringing in here. Not all people can be trusted to stick to the rules, especially when delivered nicey, nicey. As no doubt someone will remind me I have said this before, but "Immer Links Fahren Bitte" was a waste of dayglo coloured paper, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, Barlow said: Look what is at stake though. Needs bringing in here. Not all people can be trusted to stick to the rules, especially when delivered nicey, nicey. As no doubt someone will remind me I have said this before, but "Immer Links Fahren Bitte" was a waste of dayglo coloured paper, Don't want tag, don't travel. Simple. According to some.on here this technology ehich is widely used worldwide in various forms won't work on the island for some bizarre reason. Seems a no brainer to me. We need to make ways available for people to come to the island, and this is an obvious one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Wants freedom on one hand but tagging on the other. It's a strange thing. Bringing in tagging for people who are not criminal is a dangerous step. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx Yeller Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Numbnuts said: This is such a flawed policy . I have thought alot about it and cannot understand it tbh . If all the members of the household isolate and are all subject to testing then it's fine. But I guess that's not what is happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 36 minutes ago, Banker said: Probably work here but in Guernsey the household doesn’t have to isolate so you can have several from same household going out as follows Providing that the household is not isolating together, and that the person isolating is compliant with all of the rules (which can be found below), the other residents of the household are not subject to any restrictions and can go about their business as normal. I can't see how they can't see the folly of this... 5 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Bringing in tagging for people who are not criminal is a dangerous step. Some people just cannot be trusted. It only takes one and predicting who that one might be is nigh on impossible. They're in forced isolation anyway, why wouldn't people understand and comply to an additional precautionary measure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, quilp said: Some people just cannot be trusted. It only takes one and predicting who that one might be is nigh on impossible. They're in forced isolation anyway, why wouldn't people understand and comply to an additional precautionary measure? This pandemic has seen governmental intrusion on peoples lives barely seen before. There is a risk of really overstepping the mark. I think some of our jailings probably already have. Electronic tagging of people who have done nothing wrong* is over that line too. *legally that is, morally...? Edited January 30, 2021 by TheTeapot 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 23 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said: Don't want tag, don't travel. Simple. According to some.on here this technology ehich is widely used worldwide in various forms won't work on the island for some bizarre reason. Seems a no brainer to me. We need to make ways available for people to come to the island, and this is an obvious one Manx Telecom 4G network covers 99% of the Island’s population and geographic area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 29 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said: According to some.on here this technology ehich is widely used worldwide in various forms won't work on the island for some bizarre reason. Tagging would not prevent people who are not tagged from visiting people who are. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 25 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Wants freedom on one hand but tagging on the other. It's a strange thing. Bringing in tagging for people who are not criminal is a dangerous step. Nobody wants tagging. It is however the obvious solution to the argument people use to keep the borders closed despite there being a near enough infallible test and isolation routine. That being that you can't trust people to comply. Tag them, and you don't have to trust them. And its optional, people only have to be tagged if the elect to travel here and comply with the testing and isolation. People.whonare desperate to travel wouldn’t have an issue with it. Other's needn't worry about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Just now, pongo said: Tagging would not prevent people who are not tagged from visiting people who are. But the risk of that given the curtain twitcher mentality and risk of prison if rumbled are tiny. Are you aware of people visiting those in isolation amongst the thousands who have done it over the last few months? Did any of them result in a community issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, horatiotheturd said: Are you aware of people visiting those in isolation amongst the thousands who have done it over the last few months? Did any of them result in a community issue? Probably because until late in the year hardly anyone was coming back infected. That's not the case now. As I've said before, we really need there to be a belief that if you breach your isolation you are highly likely to be found out. Having just one phone call or a single visit per fortnight just doesn't cut it. Edited January 30, 2021 by madmanxpilot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, madmanxpilot said: Probably because until late in the year hardly anyone was coming back infected. That's not the case now. As I've said before, we really need there to be a belief that if you breach your isolation you are highly likely to be found. Having just one phone call or a single visit per fortnight just doesn't cut it. They weren't testing people coming back. A few who did the optional 7 day test showed up. There were undoubtedly people coming back who were infected. Singapore have been using tagging as a way to monitor arrivals as they have adjusted border policy since last summer. They also have a non mobile phone based track and trace system that involves people carrying a device in their pocket or bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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