Capt_Mainwaring Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 2 hours ago, horatiotheturd said: Understand completely thanks. They say its so they have the second vaccines on island before they adminstering the first (which is stupid, and an excuse for being slow) and even that doesn't add up 1. Explain, with logic, why it is stupid. 2. Some are also earmarked for 1st vaccinations booked in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 One case of the south african variant announced. Good thing they presumably isolated correctly then, because it's now february the 4th by the time the genomics were returned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 So we have had the new killer mass spreading variants on island - and because they were isolating its a total non issue . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 15 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: One case of the south african variant announced. Good thing they presumably isolated correctly then, because it's now february the 4th by the time the genomics were returned The more interesting thing that you can piece together from the information they've slowly gathered and released is that there must have been at least 3 separate lines, seeing as they've now told us the genomics have returned the original, kent and saffer versions. This still completely misses the point of the usefulness of speedy genomics though. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 46 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: The more interesting thing that you can piece together from the information they've slowly gathered and released is that there must have been at least 3 separate lines, seeing as they've now told us the genomics have returned the original, kent and saffer versions. This still completely misses the point of the usefulness of speedy genomics though. It wouldn't alter much though if we had the results a bit quicker. We need to move on from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 45 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: It wouldn't alter much though if we had the results a bit quicker. We need to move on from it. Everything you said so far has been shite & this is the latest one!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 47 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: It wouldn't alter much though if we had the results a bit quicker. We need to move on from it. As there are 4000 variants, a future mutation may arise that is unaffected by the vaccines currently available. Or we may find that one particular vaccine is more effective against one particular strain. The quicker this happens the better for the victim. It's like being ahead in the game... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, Banker said: Everything you said so far has been shite & this is the latest one!! Your trolling has always been really poor. In all its forms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, quilp said: As there are 4000 variants, a future mutation may arise that is unaffected by the vaccines currently available. Or we may find that one particular vaccine is more effective against one particular strain. The quicker this happens the better for the victim. It's like being ahead in the game... But it won't alter our approach or strategy to border controls or lockdowns. Plus there are a huge number of experts working in the UK examining these variants. I'm sure this will mutate many times. But eventually we will stop hearing about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 8 hours ago, horatiotheturd said: Whatever. I was in a 2 million pound house yesterday working packing stuff up to ship to the owners who have left it and gone back to UK At least you're earning again. Huzzah. 4 hours ago, horatiotheturd said: an excuse for being slow They aren't slow. Apparently a huge number have been done this week. That's fantastic and everyone involved should be congratulated. Just imagine trying to actually arrange something like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: But it won't alter our approach or strategy to border controls or lockdowns. Plus there are a huge number of experts working in the UK examining these variants. I'm sure this will mutate many times. But eventually we will stop hearing about it. Terry, again you miss the point about information being quickly available to adapt our response. For example, say there is a variant which lurks beyond any isolation period but is eradicated by the affected person eating rhubarb. Wouldn’t it be good to know what you have quickly, rather than any one of the other 4,000 variants, so you can tailor the isolation and the supply of rhubarb? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, Gladys said: Terry, again you miss the point about information being quickly available to adapt our response. For example, say there is a variant which lurks beyond any isolation period but is eradicated by the affected person eating rhubarb. Wouldn’t it be good to know what you have quickly, rather than any one of the other 4,000 variants, so you can tailor the isolation and the supply of rhubarb? I'm not missing the point "again" at all Gladys. Our strategy for both the borders and the way which we lock down are not going to be material altered by variants. Of which there will be many. It'll be altered by data and numbers. All of which eminates from the UK. It was discussed on here earlier in this thread or the RG thread. It's possibly a "nice to have" but simply isn't that important in framing our strategy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 It's no surprise that a gov apologist doesn't understand it. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 9 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: But it won't alter our approach or strategy to border controls or lockdowns. It might. We don't fully know yet about the course of each variants transmissibility. What if we find one vaccine, or a combination thereof, is swiftly efficacious and curtails one particular variant's ability to infect others? The science is still in its infancy. 9 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: Plus there are a huge number of experts working in the UK examining these variants. The UK is a centre of excellence when it comes to genomics. But we have the tech, on-Island to produce definitive results in just under 48hrs, as opposed to 5/7 days. And share the information with the UK's database quicker than the UK takes to collate it. 9 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: I'm sure this will mutate many times. Many, many times. It could go one way or the other; more, or less dangerous. We don't know what we're up against and unfortunately the threat isn't going away anytime soon. 2 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: Our strategy for both the borders and the way which we lock down are not going to be materially altered by variants. Of which there will be many. We already have a 'South African' variant. How this variant responds to the current formulae in each of the available vaccines is as yet unknown. As you say, "there will be many." Some tweaking may be necessary to adapt to suit efficacy. The more we know, and how quickly we know it is essential. 2 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: It'll be altered by data and numbers. All of which eminates from the UK. Which takes a good deal longer than if it was done locally, to be fair. 2 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: It's possibly a "nice to have" but simply isn't that important in framing our strategy. See all above and below... 9 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: But eventually we will stop hearing about it. How long do you think that'll take? Some people, perhaps like yourself may try to ignore it, not saying that's a wrong approach but it may increase complacency. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Valid points Quilp. I wont be ignoring anything as such but I fully expect Covid to become a part of everyday life in the future. The governments of the world will want to vaccinate their people. At which point it'll become another annual statistic and a another disease the elderly in particular will be at risk from each year. We are not at that point yet. In 6 months I think we will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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