Non-Believer Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Banker said: Unemployment continues to increase as a result of lockdown, restrictions etc and concerns are that it won’t get much better in short term https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/unemployment-rises-on-the-isle-of-man/ For those who are willing to do it, £250 a week each down on Douglas Promenade. However, that would require some man-management and scheme planning on the DOI's half. So it won't happen. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 36 minutes ago, Nom de plume said: No more than a ‘bad TT’. Thats the reality. The fear is still strong in some it is. Thanks Yoda. Try some simple calculations. There are about 30000 adults under 50 here, and only a very small number of those will have had covid and be immune. Without distancing measures in place, travel restrictions etc, cases of covid tend to double every 4-6 days. If only 5% of that age group need hospital admission, 1% need ITU and 0.5% die, how long before the hospital fills up, and how many deaths would we see? The other potential issue is vaccine efficacy. Is it 90%, 93%? Of the 15000 over 70s we have here, that’s quite a lot still susceptible to disease. I’m being a bit flippant with the ‘simple calculations’ - it ain’t that simple, and right now the input variables are not accurately known. Give it a month or two, watch how it goes in Israel and the UK, and if things look positive then start easing restrictions, while understanding the likely effects of doing so. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Let's face it, once we 'accept the risk level'...even given 100% vaccination and 94% efficacy, A&E here is occasionally going to be overwhelmed. Reality: Flu might take 11k people a year, covid will be taking 30k a year for several years (UK). That will be the new 'normal'. Kids will not be vaccinated at all till at least Aug/Sept or even later...and not all of them. Get used to the new reality. This will continue to take a lot of people annually...And the need to expand ICU facilitied x3 for the next 10 years. Just another risk of being human. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 19 minutes ago, wrighty said: Thanks Yoda. Try some simple calculations. There are about 30000 adults under 50 here, and only a very small number of those will have had covid and be immune. Without distancing measures in place, travel restrictions etc, cases of covid tend to double every 4-6 days. If only 5% of that age group need hospital admission, 1% need ITU and 0.5% die, how long before the hospital fills up, and how many deaths would we see? The other potential issue is vaccine efficacy. Is it 90%, 93%? Of the 15000 over 70s we have here, that’s quite a lot still susceptible to disease. I’m being a bit flippant with the ‘simple calculations’ - it ain’t that simple, and right now the input variables are not accurately known. Give it a month or two, watch how it goes in Israel and the UK, and if things look positive then start easing restrictions, while understanding the likely effects of doing so. THe ONS figures show about 5 30 to 50 year olds admitted to hospital WITH COVID in a week, with an infection rate of just over 1% in the same period. Let’s be negative and say 10x that many infections, so 50 in hospital WITH Covid. Factor in that the vulnerable in that age bracket in the UK aren’t vaccinated yet, consider that pretty much none of them are in ITU, then divide for the fact we only have 30,000 rather than the 100,000 the figures are based on. I really can’t see anything to stress over. If we got it 10 times worse than the UK last week we would have 15 30 to 50 in hospital WITH covid, and none in ITU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Wonder what happened to Horatio the turd... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 9 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said: Let's face it, once we 'accept the risk level'...even given 100% vaccination and 94% efficacy, A&E here is occasionally going to be overwhelmed. Reality: Flu might take 11k people a year, covid will be taking 30k a year for several years (UK). That will be the new 'normal'. Kids will not be vaccinated at all till at least Aug/Sept or even later...and not all of them. Get used to the new reality. This will continue to take a lot of people annually...And the need to expand ICU facilitied x3 for the next 10 years. Just another risk of being human. Particularly given the ongoing resistance to vaccination by the BAME communities, as reported on Sky News today. Still lots of groundless fears and rumours and misinformation being peddled to and by these communities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: Particularly given the ongoing resistance to vaccination by the BAME communities, as reported on Sky News today. Still lots of groundless fears and rumours and misinformation being peddled to and by these communities. Panorama are covering that very issue tonight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanShimmin Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 I honestly can't wait for the chance to be able to go for a weekend away in London or Liverpool without having to isolate. But the different mutations that keep popping up do make me wonder how soon that will be. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/15/32-cases-of-latest-covid-variant-of-concern-found-in-uk I'd love to share your optimising for May/September but I just don't see it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 13 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Wonder what happened to Horatio the turd... In the naughty corner. It won't be stopping him though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 7 hours ago, TheTeapot said: If you were to draw a venn diagram featuring the members of the 'Covid recovery group' with the ERG would it be a perfect circle? Born again types and grifters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: In the naughty corner. It won't be stopping him though It's strangely premeditated how these guys (TJ, Notwell, Sultan, Mr Newbie) etc always have another few accounts lined up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anyone Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 8 hours ago, Nom de plume said: Who cares? Open up ..... Won’t happen as there is no appetite for most of the electorate ( and in particular those who vote ) to open borders. They’ll be shut until at least next year and probably beyond. You can’t buck public opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 18 minutes ago, pongo said: It's strangely premeditated how these guys (TJ, Notwell, Sultan, Mr Newbie) etc always have another few accounts lined up. Yeh, I agree. Mental. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=60474&headline=Chester Street jab hub to open today§ionIs=NEWS&searchyear=2021 Another Rolls Royce solution to a problem a Lada would have solved! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anyone Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Oh , hello. I thought calling people out over mental health issues was verbotten. But perhaps you are a Nazi so no concerns there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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