TheTeapot Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, thommo2010 said: Is there not hundreds possibly thousands of new variants? Billions. That's why genomics can be so helpful with contact tracing. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Just now, Andy Onchan said: I'm not ignorant. Biology will determine how much is passed on. Vaccination is not designed to allow organisations to do stupid things like not following advice and guidance. The SPCo should be operated in a COVID safe way. If you think vaccinating all of the staff would allow them to not work in a safe way and get away with it then you are wrong. If you are vaccinated and come into contact with the virus it will be in you and on you and you could pass it on for a short period. Your immune system would see it and set to work on it and (hopefully) stop you being ill. In that short time there is a risk you could pass it on. Therefore vaccinating the SPC staff; 1) Would not work 2) Would deprive a vulnerable person from getting vaccinated. You don't need to be an expert on disease control or immunology to understand this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymann Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Alf has cancelled his budget breakfast at the Comis tomorrow morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 minute ago, TheTeapot said: Billions. That's why genomics can be so helpful with contact tracing. Yeah not right. Tracking and tracing has to be done in hours not days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Happier diner said: Yeah not right. Tracking and tracing has to be done in hours not days. Sigh. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, jaymann said: Alf has cancelled his budget breakfast at the Comis tomorrow morning. The Caff do a brilliant budget Breakfast £5.95 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Vaccination is not designed to allow organisations to do stupid things like not following advice and guidance. The SPCo should be operated in a COVID safe way. If you think vaccinating all of the staff would allow them to not work in a safe way and get away with it then you are wrong. If you are vaccinated and come into contact with the virus it will be in you and on you and you could pass it on for a short period. Your immune system would see it and set to work on it and (hopefully) stop you being ill. In that short time there is a risk you could pass it on. Therefore vaccinating the SPC staff; 1) Would not work 2) Would deprive a vulnerable person from getting vaccinated. You don't need to be an expert on disease control or immunology to understand this. It's a couple of hundred people when we are vaccinating about 800 a day. I'm not sure it massively impacts on "the vunerable". Not forgetting a decent portion of the vulnerable have been vaccinated already. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTail Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 minute ago, thommo2010 said: The Caff do a brilliant budget Breakfast £5.95 Oasis Cafe in Strand Street do a good breakfast too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Just now, TheTeapot said: Sigh. I was about to explain yet again how genomics and tracing (there's no tracking apps being used here) interact and reinforce each other. But you're right, they would take no more notice than they did the previous times. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Sigh. Its a fact I'm afraid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Vaccination is not designed to allow organisations to do stupid things like not following advice and guidance. The SPCo should be operated in a COVID safe way. If you think vaccinating all of the staff would allow them to not work in a safe way and get away with it then you are wrong. If you are vaccinated and come into contact with the virus it will be in you and on you and you could pass it on for a short period. Your immune system would see it and set to work on it and (hopefully) stop you being ill. In that short time there is a risk you could pass it on. Therefore vaccinating the SPC staff; 1) Would not work 2) Would deprive a vulnerable person from getting vaccinated. You don't need to be an expert on disease control or immunology to understand this. It's called risk mitigation. Otherwise why would we be bothering with vaccinations at all? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: I was about to explain yet again how genomics and tracing (there's no tracking apps being used here) interact and reinforce each other. But you're right, they would take no more notice than they did the previous times. Thats because they know that it wouldn't help because that's their job. The sequencing will be done, but for different reasons. If HRH DrG can get sequence tests before people get a positive test (i.e magic) then it would be very useful (incredibly useful). The sad truth is that she can't. She might be able to get a result a bit quicker (say 3 days rather then 5) but sadly that's no help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 13 minutes ago, jaymann said: Alf has cancelled his budget breakfast at the Comis tomorrow morning. the food isnt very good (allegedly) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: It's called risk mitigation. Otherwise why would we be bothering with vaccinations at all? Vaccination is to stop you dying. Controlling spread of the disease by observing a strict protocol and not allowing employees who have recently been in contact with persons who are likely to be infected mixing in our community and getting their hair done in Onchan is what companies should do to stop outbreaks. That is what risk mitigation is. You deal with the thing that is most likely and implement mitigations that have the greatest effect. What you are saying is that we should encase all drivers in rubber, we don't. We have driving laws to stop accidents happening. Vaccinations are more akin to an airbag. A contingency and not a mitigation. There are many good books on Risk Assessment. Edited February 18, 2021 by Happier diner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Thats because they know that it wouldn't help because that's their job. The sequencing will be done, but for different reasons. If HRH DrG can get sequence tests before people get a positive test (i.e magic) then it would be very useful (incredibly useful). The sad truth is that she can't. She might be able to get a result a bit quicker (say 3 days rather then 5) but sadly that's no help. Thought she could turn the results around in 24 hours. In any case you would focus the genomics on those tests done in the tracing process so, presumably, don't need to wait for the positive test. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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