pongo Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, TerryFuchwit said: You can't have Steam Packet staff in permanent isolation. If they are in contact with people travelling to the UK then it makes no sense for them not to also be isolating, just the same as those who are travelling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Thats because they know that it wouldn't help because that's their job. The sequencing will be done, but for different reasons. If HRH DrG can get sequence tests before people get a positive test (i.e magic) then it would be very useful (incredibly useful). The sad truth is that she can't. She might be able to get a result a bit quicker (say 3 days rather then 5) but sadly that's no help. Given the incubation period, knowing the direction it is traveling in might be very helpful. If you have a cluster of cases at once, knowing who started it and who it was spreading to, means you know which contacts will have been higher or lower risk with a clearer idea. A clearer idea of risk helps inform lockdown decisions. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Gladys said: Thought she could turn the results around in 24 hours. In any case you would focus the genomics on those tests done in the tracing process so, presumably, don't need to wait for the positive test. 36 hours after the positive test is obtained. She says it herself on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Just now, Happier diner said: 36 hours after the positive test is obtained. She says it herself on here. How could you do the genomics if you didn't have a positive test? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Vaccination is to stop you dying. Controlling spread of the disease by observing a strict protocol and not allowing employees to who have been in contact with persons who are likely to be infected mixing in our community and getting their hair done in Onchan is what companies should do to stop outbreaks. That is what risk mitigation is. Vaccination is also to slow the spread. It's an additional string to the bow of risk mitigation. Steam Packet employees are only human like the rest of us and are going to, rightly or wrongly, screw up now and then. It makes sense to vaccinate them for the extra layer of protection. Edited February 18, 2021 by Zarley FFS autoincorrect 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Trench Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, pongo said: If they are in contact with people travelling to the UK then it makes no sense for them not to also be isolating, just the same as those who are travelling. Is mv Arrow available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, pongo said: If they are in contact with people travelling to the UK then it makes no sense for them not to also be isolating, just the same as those who are travelling. Thats right. Surely they would have had to have a bubble, with isolation when you leave it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Just now, Zarley said: Vaccination is also to slow the spread. It's an additional string to the how of risk mitigation. Steam Packet employees are only human like the rest of us and are going to, rightly or wrongly, screw up now and then. It makes sense to vaccinate them for the extra layer of protection. It slows the spread, but only very slowly. Its a long term fix to the pandemic. Not suitable as a substitute for poor practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Len Trench said: Is mv Arrow available? Yes. They have a seperate crew don't they. aren't't they all UK though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Happier diner said: It slows the spread, but only very slowly. Its a long term fix to the pandemic. Not suitable as a substitute for poor practice. I never said nor implied I thought it was a substitute for poor practice. I said it is an additional layer of protection. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, pongo said: If they are in contact with people travelling to the UK then it makes no sense for them not to also be isolating, just the same as those who are travelling. But it isn't practical in the real world. You are not going to get employees who's life consists of a shift on the SP, isolate, shift, isolste. Time off (isolate for two weeks). Effectively you would be imprisoning them outside of their shift. It's delusional to think that is either fair or possible. Edited February 18, 2021 by TerryFuchwit 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: Given the incubation period, knowing the direction it is traveling in might be very helpful. If you have a cluster of cases at once, knowing who started it and who it was spreading to, means you know which contacts will have been higher or lower risk with a clearer idea. A clearer idea of risk helps inform lockdown decisions. Indeed, one of the reasons for not using genomics last time round was that it was too late whrn it was proposed to be of use. Well, we are right at the beginning now, so it may be very useful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: But it isn't practical in the real world. You are not going to get employees who's life consists of a shift on the SP, isolate, shift, isolste. Time off (isolate for two weeks). Effectively you would be imprisoning them outside of their shift. It's delusional to think that is either fair or possible. Most seamen and women are used to inconvenient shifts. Accept the difficulty/ practicality. However how can it be right that a person is in contact with someone from the Uk and then an hour later be in the hairdressers. I bet they didn't fess up this fact because they got their highlights done. Whats the point of having a closed border but then taking no steps at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Gladys said: Indeed, one of the reasons for not using genomics last time round was that it was too late whrn it was proposed to be of use. Well, we are right at the beginning now, so it may be very useful We locked down last time because we'd had places like the bar, where a staff member had it and so could've given it to anyone. A week later, they could've also passed it on. Without knowing the circumstances now, genomics could be invaluable for preventing a lockdown. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Gladys said: Indeed, one of the reasons for not using genomics last time round was that it was too late whrn it was proposed to be of use. Well, we are right at the beginning now, so it may be very useful Too late to stop a lock down. Still is as we wouldn't get the results till Saturday even with an on Island lab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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