IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Roger Mexico]

Incidentally another thing relating to the media conference is the failure of the government to produce a list of places/times where people might have come into contact with one of those infected.  this was promised later in the evening, but there's no sign of it yet, despite Moulton offering to put it out.

In fact it was quite telling that one of those infected (it sounded like it might have been the index case) had actually contacted Moulton and given him the list.  Presumably they had already given this information to the contact tracing team on Wednesday when their test came back and the team used that time to test the contacts and get their results back[1].  So the government has sat on the list of possible contact places for maybe a day (or now more) without doing anything.

 

[1]  Six out of 15 contacts seems quite a high ratio to be positive and this may be an indication of just how infectious this person was.

Edited February 19, 2021 by Roger Mexico

[The Old Git]

3 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

Incidentally another thing relating to the media conference is the failure of the government to produce a list of places/times where people might have come into contact with one of those infected.  this was promised later in the evening, but there's no sign of it yet, despite Moulton offering to put it out.

Don’t know if you follow Moulton on Twitter. People are obviously feeding him information. 
 

 

[Dirty Buggane]

Maybe we could convert the old light houses on the Calf Of Man, or drop a couple of them inflatable tents you see on the pandemic disaster movies. We could then have the boat stop and the crew transfer by cutter to the island drop off the one crew and pick up a new pre- tested tested crew. If family wish to visit they would obviously have to go into two week isolation when they return, and when they get the all clear they are ready for the next visit as their spouse/loved one/casual acquaintance will have finished their shift and be ready for another visit. We could even call it The Strange Island Of Dr Henny Hewit.

[The Old Git]

3 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

 

 

Edited February 19, 2021 by The Old Git
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[Ham_N_Eggs]

4 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

Six out of 15 contacts seems quite a high ratio to be positive and this may be an indication of just how infectious this person was.

It may also be indicative of how many contacts this person had. Which, if the information I have heard is even half right, is rather impressively large.

[bonatti]

6 hours ago, Max Power said:

Not delusional at all, there needs to be something sensible proposed. You can't just have people wandering home and possibly infecting their families. That piece of paper might protect you from prosecution, that's about all! 

Procedures should have been in place to ensure crews are as  safe as possible and risk minimal. Social distancing and mask wearing at all times etc. and keeping IOM and UK based crews as separate as possible. I suspect these may have  been compromised. 

It will be difficult to ask crews to constantly isolate without either significant remuneration for their sacrifice, or taking on additional staff to allow more down time so that crews can isolate and then have time off.

The common sense solution should be to review, and modify if necessary, the procedures they have in place and make sure they are maintained at all times.

What I find most astonishing is that the Government thought the crews were isolating on days on and didn't think to publicly thank them for the massive sacrifice this undoubtedly would have on their personal lives.    

Edited February 19, 2021 by bonatti

[GD4ELI]

5 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

It may also be indicative of how many contacts this person had. Which, if the information I have heard is even half right, is rather impressively large.

And given the time delays those positive will be spreading...

Not good.

[Banker]

16 minutes ago, GD4ELI said:

And given the time delays those positive will be spreading...

Not good.

Depends if classed as low risk eg visit to Tesco, garage, drive through McDonald’s etc 

[Gladys]

10 minutes ago, GD4ELI said:

And given the time delays those positive will be spreading...

Not good.

No, it isn't.  IOMG have managed to put themselves in a very difficult position and my fear is that an immediate lockdown was avoided not on clinical grounds but on, shall we say, political grounds.

On the one hand, you want to support the Gov in view of our relative freedom, the comparatively low numbers if infected and fatalities.  But then, something like this comes along and it undermines all the good stuff being done.

Again, where is the advisory committee?They would actually take some of the strain from the three of them and provide a sense check of what they are doing which would be immensely useful for the Island.

This is now the fourth major slip up and it is not acceptable when you are dealing with the nation's health and wellbeing.

[GD4ELI]

3 minutes ago, Banker said:

Depends if classed as low risk eg visit to Tesco, garage, drive through McDonald’s etc 

As there's no lockdown on the rock I doubt it's low risk. The crowing about the rock's low COVID counts may well be a thing of the past if the way it's spread through other countries is anything to go by.

I hope this isn't the case but always prepare for the worst.

[Nom de plume]

I think it’s fair to say we’ve all been taken as mugs.

Anyone that needed to see relatives, sought medical treatment, had business in the U.K. or whatever purpose of their trip has had to go through hoops & lengthy isolation on return in order to make that happen.

Yet we’ve had the Steam Packet staff coming and going as they please for a year with the blessing of the Cabinet Office.

The briefing should be a farewell resignation speech & medals handed back.

We have avoided a VERY serious outbreak & further deaths by the grace of God, not through good governance.

Do NOT forget this come the election.

Edited February 19, 2021 by Nom de plume

[Uhtred]

3 minutes ago, Gladys said:

This is now the fourth major slip up and it is not acceptable when you are dealing with the nation's health and wellbeing.

Indeed it is not acceptable. But it’s unsurprising when you look at the clowns making the decisions. Losers in key positions.

[Gladys]

7 minutes ago, Uhtred said:

Indeed it is not acceptable. But it’s unsurprising when you look at the clowns making the decisions. Losers in key positions.

Yet, it has been almost a year and this major flaw in our defences was not noticed or understood.  

Neither has it actually resulted in a breach of our defences, until now, it has to be said.  So, the steammie must be implementing measures that fall short of isolation but which have, hitherto, been quite effective. 

Or am I just putting a positive spin on this?

Edited February 19, 2021 by Gladys

[Nom de plume]

2 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Yet, it has been almost a year and this major flaw in our defences was not noticed or understood.  

Neither has it actually resulted in a breach of our defences, until now, it has to be said.  So, the steammie must be implementing measures that fall short of isolation but which have, hitherto, been quite effective. 

Or am I just putting a positive spin on this?

You’re putting a very nice gloss on it.

 

[Gladys]

3 minutes ago, Nom de plume said:

You’re putting a very nice gloss on it.

 

Yes, that was my fear.