Happier diner Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Roger Mexico said: To be fair to Ewart, if you listen to the main clip she's mainly reckoning it's the Kent variant because that's now the most common one in the UK. So it's just a matter of probabilities. I'm less convinced by the idea that the Kent variety is quicker to induce symptoms, not least because in this case the periods we know about seem to have been around the standard 5-6 days. But proper genomics would telling us not just the variant but reassure us that it was all from the same source and that this linked back to the UK-based SP employee who passed it on to his colleague (rather than say from an infected passenger). You would expect these things to be the case, but a lot of science is the boring slog of checking that likely things are true. Because the odd time they are not, you have to completely change your plans. Some good points but what do you mean by 'proper' genomics. Genuine question. Do you mean more timely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 58 minutes ago, Banker said: Someone wants surge testing but isn’t that only where there’s loads of unexplained cases? https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/mhk-calls-for-govt-to-look-into-surge-testing/ No disrespect to Ms Christian...but what does she think this will achieve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipsqueak Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Happier diner said: No disrespect to Ms Christian...but what does she think this will achieve. it may happen, she certainly knows how to get what she wants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 55 minutes ago, The Old Git said: When I was working cost was cost. Didn’t include any element of profit or loss. Quite easy to work out the cost of any job done and see what profit was made. I think that is the point though. What is meant by cost. If someone says the cost of painting my house is £1,000, that is what I would expect to pay. I wouldn't expect the painter to say that I had to pay £1,500 because the cost hadn't included any labour and was just the cost of the paint. Cost price of a service should include labour costs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Newbie said: I think that is the point though. What is meant by cost. If someone says the cost of painting my house is £1,000, that is what I would expect to pay. I wouldn't expect the painter to say that I had to pay £1,500 because the cost hadn't included any labour and was just the cost of the paint. Cost price of a service should include labour costs. True but I think this is a moot point now as Dr G has confirmed it was for free. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 17 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Both ladies have this so we should back off on the my Doc knows more than yours competition. No one is arguing that one Doc knows more than the other, just that they have different but complementary knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Just now, Gladys said: No one is arguing that one Doc knows more than the other, just that they have different but complementary knowledge. If that were true how do you explain the disparaging references to qualifications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, Happier diner said: True but I think this is a moot point now as Dr G has confirmed it was for free. Yes, free is much easier to understand! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, Newbie said: I think that is the point though. What is meant by cost. I can’t see how there’s any confusion. If I was letting a mate have something at cost, it would be the purchase invoice price to me. Literally what it cost me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 24 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Some good points but what do you mean by 'proper' genomics. Genuine question. Do you mean more timely? I was just using shorthand for doing full sequencing - at least enough to identify the transmission route - rather than just picking up which main variant it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Old Git said: I can’t see how there’s any confusion. If I was letting a mate have something at cost, it would be the purchase invoice price to me. Literally what it cost me. That is fine for goods, but if you are providing a service at cost, which involves labour, then the labour is a part of what it has cost you. Anyway, as has been said, it is a moot point in this situation as Dr Glover has said she would provide the service for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 31 minutes ago, Happier diner said: To be an expert in this field you need qualifications combined with experience. One you work for a time in that field the experience becomes more valuable than the qualifications. Both ladies have this so we should back off on the my Doc knows more than yours competition. Maybe they should meet up for a coffee. Given that it's impossible to meet someone for coffee without it appearing on Manx Forums within about 3 nanoseconds, I'm sure we'll be the first to hear. Actually Rachel has always spoken respectfully of Ewart, but you have to remember that Ewart is constrained politically as to what she can say. She can advise all she wants, but in the end decisions are made by the politicians (not always for the best scientific reasons) and she has to go along with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 17 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Given that it's impossible to meet someone for coffee without it appearing on Manx Forums within about 3 nanoseconds, I'm sure we'll be the first to hear. Actually Rachel has always spoken respectfully of Ewart, but you have to remember that Ewart is constrained politically as to what she can say. She can advise all she wants, but in the end decisions are made by the politicians (not always for the best scientific reasons) and she has to go along with it. Rightly or wrongly, Dr Ewart has become the figurehead of DHSC policy, and catcher of Ashford's hot potatoes in briefings. I don't like how the IOMG go for the trying to blind us with sciencey words when there is a question that's a controversial topic, or something a Minister isn't clear on. Whether she has any real capability to effect change that is against the tide of the dynamic duo is something I'm not sure on. You see what happens if you don't nod, agree and say "Yes Minister". I don't agree with disparaging her for a PhD in history, a PhD is about the transferable skills you pick up as a researcher. She can apply those to the background in medicine she already has. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Newbie said: That is fine for goods, but if you are providing a service at cost, which involves labour, then the labour is a part of what it has cost you. Yes, And I always calculated the cost to me of that labour. Wages, NI, vehicle, insurance, fuel, etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Happier diner said: If that were true how do you explain the disparaging references to qualifications You would argue the colour of orange juice! Barlow was under the misunderstanding that Dr Ewart got her Dr title from a PhD in history not from medicine. If that was the case he would be right to raise it as a concern. I don't think anyone has said Rachel is better qualified than Henrietta, or vice versa. Just that they have different expertise, all of which is very useful in the current circumstances and that it is a pity that Rachel's particular and highly relevant expertise is being ignored. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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