Happier diner Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 57 minutes ago, The Old Git said: Don’t buy things without knowing the cost 🤷🏻♂️ And do you know the cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Banker said: 298 vaccinations today & 309 yesterday, seems they do substantially less at weekend as they we did 864 Friday & 1023 Thursday. Not sure why but thought they would try and keep the pace up at the higher levels . What, people taking time off? Really? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 minute ago, The Voice of Reason said: Can we please get this in perspective? In the last week I have had a haircut, been for a pint with a few mates and enjoyed a meal in a restaurant with members of my family. Can we not just be glad we can do this sort of thing, when others can’t without moaning about this that and the other. Call it luck or good governance, or a bit of both let’s just be grateful we can. Yes, we can, we're very fortunate compared to much of europe, but there is no doubt AT ALL that the border situation is slowly strangling us and that a number of things could and should have been handled better. Just saying it's great we can go for a pint, well done our wonderful leaders, aren't they super, shut up your moaning, is really really dumb. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 49 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: You clearly don’t understand how it works then. In essence, your phone sends out anonymous beacons every X seconds. These beacons change every 10 minutes or so. You can’t link beacons between iterations. You also can’t link beacons back to the sender. Because of the time aspect. If you get a positive result, you share a list of the beacons you’ve sent over the last X days. Everyone else can get a list of the exposure beacons that have been declared. They can then compare it to the list of beacons they’ve collected. Less big brother than having Facebook on your phone, or WhatsApp. Or having a phone running Android. Note, that if you have Wi-Fi enabled, your phone will be scanning for networks regularly. To do this with some anonymity, it randomises the sender addresses that it uses for that. Setting your patronising Roger Mexico tones aside - I understand perfectly how it works. Or, in reality , how it doesn't really work. There is nothing discernible to be gained other than a further invasion of privacy and data. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Just now, TerryFuchwit said: Setting your patronising Roger Mexico tones aside - I understand perfectly how it works. Or, in reality , how it doesn't really work. There is nothing discernible to be gained other than a further invasion of privacy and data. Where is the privacy invasion? Technologically speaking. I'd implore you to view any activity history with social media companies or a company like Google, and you'll likely see where the true problem is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 56 minutes ago, Gladys said: Is there an identifiable reason for the staffing issue? We are where we are due to a systematic reduction of staff over the last 5 years in my view. In a vain attempt to eliminate "silo working" and "culture change" the senior managers have pushed a somewhat draconian and unfair approach, in some cases harbouring on bullying and harassment, to deal with difficult people who have challenged managers and asked awkward questions. Patient complaints are virtually ignored, arrogance and "we know best" permeates to organisation from the top down. It is a good job there are still some very good staff who know who they work for. But there are not many left. Culture change has meant do as you are told and don't question it. Silo working has been replaced by solo working, just in different silos. Thats the funny part. Waste of time, effort and money. How many senior managers and others got paid off. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Yes, we can, we're very fortunate compared to much of europe, but there is no doubt AT ALL that the border situation is slowly strangling us and that a number of things could and should have been handled better. Just saying it's great we can go for a pint, well done our wonderful leaders, aren't they super, shut up your moaning, is really really dumb. Discussions imminent on changing that border strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Yes, we can, we're very fortunate compared to much of europe, but there is no doubt AT ALL that the border situation is slowly strangling us and that a number of things could and should have been handled better. Just saying it's great we can go for a pint, well done our wonderful leaders, aren't they super, shut up your moaning, is really really dumb. I didn’t say that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Yes, we can, we're very fortunate compared to much of europe, but there is no doubt AT ALL that the border situation is slowly strangling us and that a number of things could and should have been handled better. Just saying it's great we can go for a pint, well done our wonderful leaders, aren't they super, shut up your moaning, is really really dumb. Lots seem to think because Howie has done a good job on pandemic that he is a great leader and have forgotten all the other issues he hasn't addressed during his term e.g. Poverty, affordable housing, pension deficit, top heavy civil service management, DOI cock ups, his attitude to women, proper borders plan etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 minute ago, TerryFuchwit said: Discussions imminent on changing that border strategy. Yeah I know, and there's no doubt that the situation in the UK is improving. It would be nice to have a fair few more vaccinations done before they get too loose, and there is the concern that once again the UK gov will listen to its moronic wing and open up too fast, and trigger a bit of an uptick. We'll get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Apple said: We are where we are due to a systematic reduction of staff over the last 5 years in my view. In a vain attempt to eliminate "silo working" and "culture change" the senior managers have pushed a somewhat draconian and unfair approach, in some cases harbouring on bullying and harassment, to deal with difficult people who have challenged managers and asked awkward questions. Patient complaints are virtually ignored, arrogance and "we know best" permeates to organisation from the top down. It is a good job there are still some very good staff who know who they work for. But there are not many left. Culture change has meant do as you are told and don't question it. Silo working has been replaced by solo working, just in different silos. Thats the funny part. Waste of time, effort and money. How many senior managers and others got paid off. In reality a lot of that is bullshit. The primary reason is that at a base nursing level numbers are very low. The pay is poor and it's really a vocation as much as a job. A lack of numbers over the last twenty years plus is the problem. Similar issue with doctors/surgeons and the like. Really expensive and difficult to get into and the UK Universities are flooded with overseas wealthy medical students paying upfront. So you get a health service reliant on overseas staff at all levels. And the longer serving ones slowly retiring and not being replaced. They go on Bank to help out. Doing less hours and able to pick and choose what suits them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 25 minutes ago, pongo said: Contact-tracing apps: there’s no evidence they’re helping stop COVID-19 - The Conversation Do digital contact tracing apps work? Here’s what you need to know - MIT Why coronavirus contact-tracing apps aren’t yet the ‘game changer’ authorities hoped they’d be - CNBC Contact Tracing Apps Were Big Tech's Best Idea for Fighting COVID-19. Why Haven't They Helped? - Time CONTACT TRACING APPS PROMISED BIG AND DIDN’T DELIVER - The Verge COVID Contact Tracing Apps Are Far From Perfect - NYT The Logic Around Contact Tracing Apps Is All Wrong - Wired How to Fix COVID Contact Tracing - Scientifc American There are many reasons why covid-19 contact-tracing apps may not work - New Scientist Contact-tracing apps are not a solution to the COVID-19 crisis - The Brookings Institution Have we considered that contact tracing in any guise has long gone out the window when the infection is running rampant? The island is currently in a very different spot, a state where we can be ready for a known contagion. A very different scenario to the rest of the world a year ago. Also, a direct quote from your wired article there: If used to track community-level trends, not just individual exposures, these apps could liberate us from the false binary that we have to either stay in lockdown or open up and simply hope for the best. Better data would allow us to stop flying blind and instead adapt our response in real time as the threat evolves, charting a middle path that is more efficient and less economically damaging. From the MIT article There’s evidence that apps can help by breaking transmission chains and preventing new cases, even without tons of users. They may be useful as part of a “Swiss cheese” model: even though every approach has holes, stacking lots of them together can make a solid barrier. But it’s unclear how much exposure notifications do to change people’s behavior, particularly since it’s difficult to track how many people get exposure notifications and later test positive. From the time article: Part of the problem, according to public-health experts, has been a lack of coordination by the federal government, which could have, for example, created a national digital contact-tracing solution and encouraged states to opt in. Absent direction or incentives from Washington, many states have chosen not to launch contact-tracing apps at all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 minute ago, TheTeapot said: Yeah I know, and there's no doubt that the situation in the UK is improving. It would be nice to have a fair few more vaccinations done before they get too loose, and there is the concern that once again the UK gov will listen to its moronic wing and open up too fast, and trigger a bit of an uptick. We'll get there. Mid to end of May should see a complete change in the borders strategy. Othe UK are really in a very similar predicament. The reality is that once people are vaccinated we will be getting on with it. Accepting covid as a day to day thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: I didn’t say that You want to though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) Well this thread is titled IOM COVID removing restrictions so contributors have probably made their comments on that subject rather than forgotten others. However I am intrigued that you make reference to HQ,s attitude to women. Do you think he does not like them? If so what leads you to that conclusion? (sorry that was in response to Teapots earlier post ) Edited February 21, 2021 by The Voice of Reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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