Holte End Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 48 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: Health of the nation? People are losing it. No, people are catching it. I would only lose it, if I caught it going for a coffee, After being told it is low risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 58 minutes ago, Holte End said: Mr Ashford MBE Stated Low risk not an exact science. So does that mean it is a guess. If so are they basing the health of a Nation on guesses Nice one. No it doesn’t mean it’s a guess. It’s a categorisation taking all the relevant factors into account. This involves a degree of objectivity which means it cannot be an exact science. Low risk does not mean no risk, as has been proved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, Holte End said: No, people are catching it. I would only lose it, if I caught it going for a coffee, After being told it is low risk. Well lock yourself away then. It is low risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: No it doesn’t mean it’s a guess. It’s a categorisation taking all the relevant factors into account. This involves a degree of objectivity which means it cannot be an exact science. Low risk does not mean no risk, as has been proved. Disagree there. I interpreted Ashford as saying: "As we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don't know we don't know." Which is far simpler. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 I’m not going to waste my time battling against two of the most vocal forum members individually. It’s simply my opinion that I believe the process could be more streamlined, I don’t think the turnaround time is quick enough, I think releasing at 11:30pm actually causes more panic because the time of day certainly suggests urgency, the track and trace system is simply relying on goodwill and I don’t feel we’ve learnt anything since N.Y.D cases at all. They can’t actually be sure this is the same ‘cluster’ until the genomic results come back, in the meantime it’s relying on contact tracing playing dot to dot, assuming it is actually the same transmission line. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Annoymouse said: I’m not going to waste my time battling against two of the most vocal forum members individually. It’s simply my opinion that I believe the process could be more streamlined, I don’t think the turnaround time is quick enough, I think releasing at 11:30pm actually causes more panic because the time of day certainly suggests urgency, the track and trace system is simply relying on goodwill and I don’t feel we’ve learnt anything since N.Y.D cases at all. They can’t actually be sure this is the same ‘cluster’ until the genomic results come back, in the meantime it’s relying on contact tracing playing dot to dot, assuming it is actually the same transmission line. I think part of the problem is there are some utterly selfish fuckers who have zero appreciation for the relentless efforts of some of the people involved in trying to manage the pandemic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 To give them credit, we tend to get test results turned around quite quickly. Let's see where things are by 4pm, as I imagine plenty will be tested today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 53 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: Why would you be " very surprised"? It's Sunday for a start. Do you think people are literally hanging around 24 hours a day in the lab waiting for someone to need testing? Someone clearly phoned up with or developed symptoms that needed a test. They then have to get that test, have th le test taken to be examined. The results then have to be reviewed and confirmed. It then has to go to government, on a Sunday night, to arrange a communication. So, if all that kicked off mid to late afternoon yesterday WTF are you expecting? Were you working last night BTW? 111 is open 8 till 8 i thought? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 4 hours ago, The Chief said: can't argue semantics with Howie he told us that very early on. "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all." And that's the problem. They're more interested in playing about with words so they can pretend they are in control rather than dealing with reality and actually controlling things. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: 111 is open 8 till 8 i thought? 7 days a week ? That surprises me if true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 27 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: No it doesn’t mean it’s a guess. It’s a categorisation taking all the relevant factors into account. This involves a degree of objectivity which means it cannot be an exact science. Low risk does not mean no risk, as has been proved. I am sure there is a risk, but unsure of that risk, because the risk can't be measured scientifically, If it is not an exact science and can't be proven, until it is either it is proved or disproved So it could be a high risk or a low risk, so someone has to make a chose. Then that is a guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: 7 days a week ? That surprises me if true It's true. The virus doesn't take Sundays off.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said: I think part of the problem is there are some utterly selfish fuckers who have zero appreciation for the relentless efforts of some of the people involved in trying to manage the pandemic. Heaven forbid someone has the audacity to have a difference of opinion to yourself. The selfish fuckers are those with short memories who go out exactly the same as before, like COVID-19 has never existed, 3 weeks lockdown for 2 weeks freedom wasn’t worth it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 37 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said: Disagree there. I interpreted Ashford as saying: "As we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don't know we don't know." Which is far simpler. Yes, thank you Humphrey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 51 minutes ago, Holte End said: I would only lose it, if I caught it going for a coffee, After being told it is low risk. Decaf.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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