Banker Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, Roxanne said: That's certainly what he wanted the public to believe. You could hear the venom in his voice as he spoke. Frankly, there's been so much gaslighting coming from the pair of them it's hard to know what's truth and what isn't anymore. Which is, of course, just how the gaslighter likes it. Skew the reality of the public and they'll be so confused they'll take any old bull as gospel. You can see on Facebook that any criticism of Howie or Ashie is immediately attacked by any plenty defending them & praising them for saving us. Just need Howie to start a jail them chant for poor steam packet workers which will them be taken up by the masses!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 59 minutes ago, Gladys said: So was it a valid directive, did it contradict or cancel the exemption certificate and who was actually subject to either? All good questions which I'm sure will remain resolutely unanswered. They've managed to make a mess of other, much simpler, Covid regulations and their enforcement, so I'm not sure the details of this one will be found to be completely enforceable in the way they would like. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: All good questions which I'm sure will remain resolutely unanswered. They've managed to make a mess of other, much simpler, Covid regulations and their enforcement, so I'm not sure the details of this one will be found to be completely enforceable in the way they would like. Does it really need scrutiny ? What’s the problem here ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 Just now, dilligaf said: Does it really need scrutiny ? What’s the problem here ? The problem is there has been a breach in our protective borders and that there would seem to be a differing view of what the applicable regulations were that has caused it. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxst Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, dilligaf said: Does it really need scrutiny ? What’s the problem here ? Argh. It’s that time of night. It’s woken up. yes, rules, legislation and regulations need scrutiny to try and prevent yet further examples of our islands population being infected by covid. It will undoubtedly happen, but it’s best that we at least try and keep it out as much as we can, no? If government departments or state owned companies don’t know what they’re doing or supposed to be doing, and the government themselves haven’t a clue what’s happening, as seems to be the case, then scrutiny is required and potentially an overhaul to make things better. Edited February 23, 2021 by manxst 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, manxst said: Argh. It’s that time of night. It’s woken up. yes, rules, legislation and regulations need scrutiny to try and prevent yet further examples of our islands population being infected by covid. It will undoubtedly happen, but it’s best that we at least try and keep it out as much as we can, no? If government departments or state owned companies don’t know what they’re doing or supposed to be doing, and the government themselves haven’t a clue what’s happening, as seems to be the case, then scrutiny is required and potentially an overhaul to make things better. Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxst Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, dilligaf said: Well done. For? Edited February 23, 2021 by manxst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, manxst said: For? Ignore him, he likes to be contentious but doesn't have the wit to carry it off. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowMan Posted February 23, 2021 Share Posted February 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Banker said: Just need Howie to start a jail them chant for poor steam packet workers which will them be taken up by the masses!! You do get a vague sense of maybe that’s what is coming at some stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Lots of opinions and no facts. We don't know what the direction said and even if we did, if the act took place outside IOM waters then the direction doesn't apply anyway. Talk of jail is just nonsense at present. Come on folks get a grip. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 59 minutes ago, CowMan said: You do get a vague sense of maybe that’s what is coming at some stage. If he did that then he's a even bigger idiot than I have always thought ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Banker said: You can see on Facebook that any criticism of Howie or Ashie is immediately attacked by any plenty defending them & praising them for saving us. Just need Howie to start a jail them chant for poor steam packet workers which will them be taken up by the masses!! There always seems to be a slightly panicky edge to the pro-government pile-ons that you see in these circumstances, especially when many seem to be responding the remarks or questions that weren't actually made. Now I'm not saying that Quayle and co are employing Russian (or even Rushen) troll farms to 'defend' their reputation, but you get the impression that there are a fair number of people who are deeply upset by the sheer idea of any sort of scrutiny of the government and will defend it automatically with arrogance and inaccuracy. Why that might be ... Meanwhile they seem to pulling back on demands to punish the Packet: which suggests they've looked at the legal side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: There always seems to be a slightly panicky edge to the pro-government pile-ons that you see in these circumstances, especially when many seem to be responding the remarks or questions that weren't actually made. Now I'm not saying that Quayle and co are employing Russian (or even Rushen) troll farms to 'defend' their reputation, but you get the impression that there are a fair number of people who are deeply upset by the sheer idea of any sort of scrutiny of the government and will defend it automatically with arrogance and inaccuracy. Why that might be ... Meanwhile they seem to pulling back on demands to punish the Packet: which suggests they've looked at the legal side. The boy David could of combed his hair before going on ITV tonight! Oh anyone got any suggestions for a better shampoo for Henny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman34 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 7 hours ago, finlo said: The boy David could of combed his hair before going on ITV tonight! Oh anyone got any suggestions for a better shampoo for Henny? Dreadful haircuts and badly fitting clothes are de riguer for these occasions. It's to make the rest of us feel better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 8 hours ago, piebaps said: Lots of opinions and no facts. We don't know what the direction said and even if we did, if the act took place outside IOM waters then the direction doesn't apply anyway. Talk of jail is just nonsense at present. Come on folks get a grip. Stepping back a second, I’m sure that the person in question who got tested when they should have and has been isolating since, feels awful about the current situation. Assuming they followed the terms of their direction notice, they’re not in the wrong. So let’s not start throwing around that crews heads should roll yet, even if the CM wants to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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