Albert Tatlock Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Gladys said: So why have an exemption? I think part of the answer may be in here: https://www.tynwald.org.im/links/tls/SD/2020/2020-SD-0279.pdf and here https://www.tynwald.org.im/links/tls/SD/2020/2020-SD-0215.pdf Emergency legislation going back to Apr/May last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Is there a briefing today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Albert Tatlock said: Is there a briefing today? Nothing announced yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, Declan said: Let's bring it back to fundamentals ... 1. we need the Steam Packet to keep sailing. 2. It's not reasonable to expect the crew to isolate their entire down time. So the situation we should have been aiming for is ... 1. Accept that this presents some risk 2. Mitigate that risk by use on onboard protocols, PPE etc. (Just like medical staff treating actual COVID patients). 3. Address issues as they arise. i.e. adjust protocol, use disciplinary action where needed. It's worked for almost a year with one breach now. Instead of addressing that Quayle's acting like the entire crew have been acting recklessly and illegally all this time. If there's been technichal infringement of the rules, by crew not isolating whilst off-ship, it's because they wrote the rules wrong. I agree with most of that. However you cannot just gloss over an event where the law has been broken much as you would like to. Where would the world come to. I don't think anyone is trying to get anyone in trouble so maybe we should all join the band of lest forget it ever happened. Fine with me. Carpet lifted and ready for brush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Just now, Happier diner said: Perhaps you have not travelled to the Country but you have left the Isle of Man? and @manxst The Ben is registered to a Manx Flag. Technically it’s Manx soil and jurisdiction on board. If you stay on board you never leave the Island. You may also be under English jurisdiction at 3, 6 or 12 miles for various purposes. Thats the licensing issue. Our licensing act applies to Manx Vessels up to our 12 mile limit. So SPCo can’t serve alcohol whilst inside that limit without a licence. Different arriving at Heysham. Ben not English registered. English licensing doesn’t have extra territorial effect. Someone dies on a Manx flagged vessel on the High Seas. Inquest here. If it’s in the 3,6, 12 mile limit of another country they may also have jurisdiction. Same with crimes. Steal something or kill someone on the Ben you can be prosecuted in Manx courts. If it’s 6 miles from the English coast then that’s another option. The exact interplay of 3, 6 & 12 mile limits is complex. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Just now, John Wright said: and @manxst The Ben is registered to a Manx Flag. Technically it’s Manx soil and jurisdiction on board. If you stay on board you never leave the Island. You may also be under English jurisdiction at 3, 6 or 12 miles for various purposes. Thats the licensing issue. Our licensing act applies to Manx Vessels up to our 12 mile limit. So SPCo can’t serve alcohol whilst inside that limit without a licence. Different arriving at Heysham. Ben not English registered. English licensing doesn’t have extra territorial effect. Someone dies on a Manx flagged vessel on the High Seas. Inquest here. If it’s in the 3,6, 12 mile limit of another country they may also have jurisdiction. Same with crimes. Steal something or kill someone on the Ben you can be prosecuted in Manx courts. If it’s 6 miles from the English coast then that’s another option. The exact interplay of 3, 6 & 12 mile limits is complex. Why does the law have to be so complicated? The word of the regulation is disembark. If you have disembarked you must isolate unless you have an exemption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevster Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Why does the law have to be so complicated? If it was simple, lawyers wouldn't be able to charge the fees that they do...... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, John Wright said: and @manxst The Ben is registered to a Manx Flag. Technically it’s Manx soil and jurisdiction on board. If you stay on board you never leave the Island. You may also be under English jurisdiction at 3, 6 or 12 miles for various purposes. Thats the licensing issue. Our licensing act applies to Manx Vessels up to our 12 mile limit. So SPCo can’t serve alcohol whilst inside that limit without a licence. Different arriving at Heysham. Ben not English registered. English licensing doesn’t have extra territorial effect. Someone dies on a Manx flagged vessel on the High Seas. Inquest here. If it’s in the 3,6, 12 mile limit of another country they may also have jurisdiction. Same with crimes. Steal something or kill someone on the Ben you can be prosecuted in Manx courts. If it’s 6 miles from the English coast then that’s another option. The exact interplay of 3, 6 & 12 mile limits is complex. John, Asking for a friend What distance offshore and offshore from which country would you recommend it is best to kill someone for the best chance of getting away with it? 😉 Edited March 1, 2021 by Boris Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said: John, Asking for a friend What distance offshore and offshore from which country would you recommend it is best to kill someone for the best chance of getting away with it? 😉 That might depend on the method you employ. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Why does the law have to be so complicated? The word of the regulation is disembark. If you have disembarked you must isolate unless you have an exemption. Disembarked where? If you’ve never left the Ben in Heysham you’ve not disembarked there. In law you’ve never technically left the IOM. Cleaners go onto the Ben at Douglas between rotations. Do they embark and disembark in Douglas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said: John, Asking for a friend What distance offshore and offshore from which country would you recommend it is best to kill someone for the best chance of getting away with it? 😉 There used to (might still) be a sign on the outside deck explaining what you could dump at sea and where. Bodies were included, I think it was 12 miles out to be legal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 hour ago, ballaughbiker said: Sorry Gladys, I might be being thick here but what is the significance of January 21st in this context? It was the date Dr Ewart referred to, I think, when confirmation on procedures was sought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, Gladys said: It was the date Dr Ewart referred to, I think, when confirmation on procedures was sought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 54 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said: I think part of the answer may be in here: https://www.tynwald.org.im/links/tls/SD/2020/2020-SD-0279.pdf and here https://www.tynwald.org.im/links/tls/SD/2020/2020-SD-0215.pdf Emergency legislation going back to Apr/May last year. My point was whether the exemption is issued to the company or individuals, it doesn't really matter as it can only apply to how the people behave swabs, isolation etc. The exemption you linked makes it clear it operates for individuals in the employ of the company, so it is a non-point, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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